Stone Temple Pilots React To Critics Calling Them Pearl Jam & Nirvana Ripoffs

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In a new Yahoo video interview, Stone Temple Pilots discussed critics falsely blasting Core as a Seattle Grunge scene ripoff in 1992.

Robert DeLeo said, “I don’t think we ever made records for critics. That wasn’t our whole point of doing what we were doing. We were trying to make the best music we could make, the best songs we could make. I think with the landing of Nirvana, I think there was no way around – the whole Seattle thing, we were just excited about making a record. We didn’t really know what was going to happen, it’s pretty much out of your hands after you do that. You don’t know who is going to buy it, whose going to like it, whose not going to like it. Talking to some of those critics these days, they’re like, ‘Sorry. I didn’t really listen to your record. I just went off what everyone else was saying.'”

A Core review then appeared on the screen describing STP as having ‘climbed onto the Seattle Grunge bandwagon.’ The review also stated, “Its slow songs, with heaving riffs and half-speed vocals, are second-rate Pearl Jam; for variety, there are some midtempo groans that imitate Nirvana.”

Dean DeLeo then added, “I remember seeing some reviews, it looked like there was just a mirror between them. Like this person didn’t even listen to the record, he’s just repeating what that person is saying. But there was so much excitement in our bubble, that it was what it was. We knew what we were doing, we knew what we had, and moreso than what we kind of contributed on Core, we all kind of knew what we had in our pocket for the forthcoming albums.

Robert said, “I remember doing interviews back then and saying, ‘Don’t criticize us off our first record, criticize us off our fifth record.’ Which had meaning to it, it meant we weren’t just going to make one record and go [down]. We made that clear with Atlantic Records, of having a career, doing five records, six records, or ten records.”

  • Unglued

    Clickbait.

    • timamac

      Yeah, and it worked, lol.

  • Eddie Yarler

    The only accusation of ripping off that could MAYBE fit is Alice in Chains, and even that was debunked by Core and Dirt coming out on the same day. The Nirvana and Pearl Jam accusations fucking infuriated me. Neither band has the testosterone to make something like Piece of Pie, Crackerman, Sin or basically any song on Core. It was just the vocals which is also bullshit as Weiland sings way clearer than Vedder.

    • Gard

      Im not sure how you figure Pearl Jam doesnt have the testosterone to make songs like that when those songs are really nothing special. Technically they are the only band kickin it still with testosterone out of all 3 of them. Could really care less for Scotts voice. I agree im sorry ive always felt it sounds like a rip off of Pearl Jam. Ive had people ask me if it was Pearl Jam or just assume it was more then once. Heres a example for me. Plush=Pearl Jam. Creep= Nirvana. Ive always felt this way. Not saying they dont have talent, because they certainly do. I just dont feel it anywhere near as much as the other 2 bands.

      • timamac

        B. S. IMHO.

      • Eddie Yarler

        In terms of rock music, Stone Temple Pilots are the better band, they played the genre better and unlike Pearl Jam always made music for the fans to enjoy and not critics. In terms of experimentation Stone Temple Pilots were also better. Since they never catered to critics like Pearl Jam did, thier music felt more natural. Tiny Music, Purple and Shangri-La Dee Da exemplify this. Its why songs such as Hello its Late, and Adhesive sound a million times better than Bu$hleager or Bugs.

        Aaand STP had most of Core written before Eddie Vedder was even in Pearl Jam, so if you can’t shake the ripoff label its because you have it reversed. Technically Pearl jam should be the ripoff, they just got a record deal faster. But neither band sound alike so its still a stupid thing to say.

        • jeremy oliveria

          Are you serious? Pearl Jam were out a lot longer while Core was being written ? STP used to be a hair Metal band and have always jumped on the bandwagon

          • jeremy oliveria

            THE MELVINS, Mudhoney, Tad are still around and they created that sound

          • Dez Pornojesus

            Ahah what the fuck are you even talking about?!

          • Eddie Yarler

            Only Dying, Wicked Garden and Naked Sunday were being written while Temple of the Dog was a band. What a coincidence? STP must be master imitators to imitate something that doesn’t even exist yet.

          • jeremy oliveria

            DEAD AND BLOATED only song that matters

        • Corndog

          I completely disagree with what you’ve said about PJ making music for critics and not fans. That is essentially the complete opposite of what they have done throughout their career. I wish it was true, because then maybe they’d record another Ten, which would be fine by me!

          • Eddie Yarler

            I only said that cause it seems like Eddie is just really uncomfortable with Pearl Jam’s mass appeal. From what i understand Stone complains about how Eddie doesn’t want to play some of thier bigger stuff live in PJ20. Haha well you got VS. I like Pearl Jam which may be hard to tell since my tone can’t be heard. I just wish Eddie gave Mike and Stone more creative lead. Since Vitalogy he seems to have taken the primary role.

          • Corndog

            I don’t think he’s as uncomfortable as he makes out, otherwise he could have walked away from the spotlight years ago. He really can be a bit of a dick sometimes. Look at the lifestyle he leads now, constantly rubbing shoulders with the beautiful people yet one of the reasons he had Dave A. fired was because he didn’t like how he was enjoying his money and fame and living the rock star lifestyle. Little hypocritical if you ask me.

            I completely agree about the creative lead. Eddie should stick to what he’s good at; writing lyrics, singing and melody, and leave the song writing to Stone. After Evacuation Cameron should never be allowed to write, ever. No Matt, no. Now, go think about what you’ve done.

            Now, I have to go give myself 40 lashes for speaking ill of your uncle Eddie. Happy now?? 😉

          • Eddie Yarler

            I think its funny how Pearl Jam has always had bad drummer relationships. Haha just seems like something out of a tv show.

            If its any consolation, I am and always will be extremely jealous of Pearl Jam’s success compared to the other bands I like. I wish STP/Creed or Alice in Chains could have Pearl Jam’s longevity. In the end it doesn’t matter what the internet thinks because Pearl Jam is likely going to be around for at least another three decades. I still think STP is better, but I always admired how Pearl Jam never pissed everything away like their contemporaries did. The only band in recent history to follow their footsteps in that aspect is Korn.

          • Corndog

            Three decades? That would be awesome, but that would put them into their eighties, right? I just wish they’d get off their ass and release a new album or at the very least give us another Lost Dogs. I can only imagine the gems they have in the vault.

          • Eddie Yarler

            Why don’t they want to make music. Its been four years since Lightning Bolt

          • Corndog

            I really don’t know. I just wish that they would release something. They have plenty of songs just lying around gathering dust. I understand that they had an entire albums worth of material that was recorded during the Backspacer sessions, so why not release something like that if they don’t actually want to record? I know a lot of people weren’t keen on that album, but i really liked it and would happily take another 10 to 12 similar songs.

            Perhaps after all these years they have finally had enough of Eddies shit? 🙂

      • jeremy oliveria

        I agree with you I only wish they would’ve done more material like Dead and Bloated

      • Eddie Rivera

        These 3 bands sound NOTHING alike!

      • Kay B

        Let’s see Kurt and Ed do this:
        See videos above

        • Corndog

          Eddie did play with the Doors, and in my opinion he sounded much better than Scott does above. I think that Eddie made it more of his own thing, whereas Scott sounds like he is doing a Jim Morrison impression.

          • Kay B

            Ack.

          • Corndog

            It was a good impression though:)

          • jeremy oliveria

            Ian Ashbury

          • Corndog

            You mean Ian Astbury, the dude from the Cult? What about him? Are you saying that you think that he sounded better doing those songs too?

    • Kay B
    • Corndog

      I don’t get the testosterone comment to be honest. I really like Core. It is without a doubt a great album, but it pales in comparison to Ten. Not even in the same league IMO. I’ll give you Nevermind though. I’d say that Core was better than that. It’s all just a matter of opinion though i guess, because as you know Ten is my favourite album of all time and for me every other album is a pale comparison:)

      I never really thought that STP sounded like Peal Jam at all, but i do recall way back when i first saw the video for Plush that i wondered why the singer was trying to look (not sound) like Eddie, because it appeared that he was trying to emulate those weird duck faces that Eddie did in the early years. That whole cheekbone thing. you know what i mean:) I haven’t seen that video for years. I must go and look it up, see if i still think the same thing. Eddie seemed to stop doing all that around the point of No Code, and i believe that it was part of his ‘stage persona’ and not necessarily something that he was doing naturally.

      • Eddie Yarler

        It was an exaggeration referring to heaviness. I guess it was a poor choice of words but just on how STP was always a harder rock band than the other two. Its not bad, but its true. What is PJ’s heaviest song? Blood? Go? They always distanced themselves from that while STP immersed themselves in it. Hence why the comparisons are poor. Ehhh i’ve never seen the Plush video but Idk how many comparisons there can be since Scott’s hair is red and Eddie’s is brown and wavy

        • Corndog

          I’d have to give some thought to what Pearl Jam’s heaviest song might be, but there are some heavy songs on each album. How heavy a band is is no reflection on ability or quality though. If it was, some mad death metal band would be the best of them all:)

          The Pearl Jam songs that I tend to end up liking most are the mid tempo songs, ballads, that kind of thing. My favourite song is Release; a delicate, beautiful little song that isn’t heavy in the least.

          Check out the Plush video if you have time. Definitely doesn’t sound like Eddie, but it really does look like Scott was mimicking his mannerisms. Eddie’s old duck face!

          • Eddie Yarler

            Its not so much that being heavier means they are better, but more so it debunks the comparisons people constantly make with the two. Personally, I think even the softer material by both bands is drastically different. Better Man and Big Empty sound nothing alike too but people just shut down once the yarling begins.

            It doesn’t bother you that they left Yellow Ledbetter, and State of Love and Trust off Ten? That album would be even bigger had they been imcluded. Lol

          • Corndog

            I think it’s indicative of the quality of Ten that a song as awesome as Yellow Ledbetter wasn’t considered good enough to make the album. I’d need to check but I’m pretty sure State was written after Ten was released. Far as I’m concerned though Ten is pretty much perfect as it is.

          • Trovoid

            I just looked it up because I was curious myself. This demo version is from the Spring of 1991 so I guess it was written before releasing Ten. They sure sped it up when they re-recorded it for Singles!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B55lhAvbNmU

          • Corndog

            Yeah i’ve heard that before. Was it from Ten Redux or something? I didn’t realise that it was written so early. I thought that they had written it especially for Singles. I stand corrected:) There is a painfully slow demo of Breath too.

          • Trovoid

            It was written with the intention of being released for Singles. They demoed it before Ten and then recorded it for the actual movie. Eddie’s lyrics are based off of his own interpretation of the film. This is all me going off of a Wikipedia page right now by the way 🙂

            Cameron Crowe must have been working on Singles in early 1991 (even though it didn’t come out until late 1992). The band was probably all familiar with the script and story for Eddie to write about it that early on.

      • Kay B

        Hmmmm. I think V.s and Vitalogy are better than Ten. Purple is my all time fav album. I do agree with the duck faces though especially in Jeremy wtf was that all about?

        • Corndog

          I tend to think of Ten/Vs/Vitalogy as the holy trinity, but songs like Black and especially Release elevate Ten above the other 2 for me. Ten would be my all time favourite album, with Release being my all time favourite song.

          Purple isn’t bad, but i prefer Core, although i would say that i like Big Empty better than anything off Core. Love the chorus on that song!

          Yeah the Jeremy video is a great example of the Eddie duck face. Clearly it was something that he was putting on too, as he just stopped doing it. I really don’t what that was about. Perhaps he thought that it was angsty?

          • Kay B

            Hm. I lost my virginity to Black. Not a great experience. Maybe it makes me bias.

          • Corndog

            Was it the song that affected the experience? I lost my virginity to stone faced silence:)

            Technically, i lost my virginity to my cousin. Before you wretch, let me explain. Years later, the girl i had been with married my cousin, so technically she is now my cousin through marriage. She wasn’t at the time. I’m just going to shut up now…..

          • Kay B

            Doesn’t that make family occasions odd?
            It had nothing to do with the sing. I lost it late in life because I really cherished it. I thought this was the time but my virginity was a bet and I didn’t know it. I never saw him after that he skipped town and made money off it with his friends.

          • Corndog

            I rarely see that side of the family so it isn’t really an issue. Must be at least 15 years since I saw her.

            Wow, I’m sorry to hear about your experience. That guy sounds like a real asshole! I can totally see why you might have issues with Black!

          • Kay B

            Thanks. I saw him like 4 yrs later at a Stabbing Westward concert. I was in the front row and he was passing by and he was like..oh hey…can I scoot in? My little brother knew who he was and was like move along dickhead.

          • Corndog

            Karma is a bitch. I’m sure he’ll get what is coming to him.

            I know it is probably hard, but i’d just forget about him and try not to let him get to you. He doesn’t deserve your time or even your thoughts. He’s a gobshite!

          • Kay B

            Thank you.

  • person

    Scott Weiland was a joke….STP had a few good tunes but Weiland could never touch Vedder’s talent

    • Kay B

      Scott’s voice is way better than Ed’s. He can actually sing classically. Listen to Atlanta on No4 and his Christmas Album.

      • person

        I’ll take your word for it…life’s too short to waste my time listening to Scott Weiland… take care

        • Kay B

          Well I’d hate for you to waste your time that would be a shame.

    • timamac

      Uh.. no.

    • Raj

      Vedder is monotone dude has basically no range, i would says he’s the worst among all the top grunge bands of Seattle or even 90s. The other singers had more range changed their voice during songs, Eddie is like David Gilmour, a guy like Syd Barrett and Roger Waters blow him out of the water any day of the week.

      • Dez Pornojesus

        Vedder is a TERRIBLE singer, plain and simple. Anyone who says different is a silly fanboy.

        • jeremy oliveria

          Mike Patton runs the game still anyway

      • Corndog

        It’s not about range as far as i am concerned. It’s about how a singer can make me feel, and no singer has ever had more emotional resonance with me than Eddie Vedder has. How ‘technically’ good someone is doesn’t really come into it for me.

        • Kay B

          I bet Scott could have made me feel pretty good.

          • Corndog

            Can’t ask for more than that.

          • Kay B

            Not when he was too skinny though.

          • Corndog

            He really did look so very different in the last few years. I used to have a running joke on this site years ago that he was actually an impostor and the DeLeo’s had the real Scott locked up in their basement:)

          • Kay B

            The slither video makes me cringe.

          • Corndog

            Yes he looked awful there. In dire need of a cheeseburger!

          • Kay B

            I honestly think he had a stroke later in life.

          • Corndog

            That would explain the weird facial muscles and the slurred speech. Then again, doing lots and lots of hard drugs could also explain that.

            He really was sad to look at towards the end. Remember that video of him singing in some small club, and he can’t seem to decide if he wants his coat on or off? He was so bad. Sounded absolutely awful. Those people that were playing and touring with him must have been able to see what was happening to him, yet they carted him out night after night to cash in on what was left of his name. Someone should have done something and got that guy some help before it was too late. If they had he might still be here today, and STP wouldn’t need to look for another singer.

            Your uncle Eddie might be a bit of an ass sometimes and he’s lost the powerful voice that made him famous, but thankfully he still has his shit together. I wouldn’t mind if he cut down on the wine while playing live though. I really think that affects his performance.

          • Kay B

            I remember the coat incident. He tried doing Vasoline and it was horrible. Unfortunately he was with a band that had enablers. Not to mention a band member had died previously. I actually stop at the spot where he died every time I go to Mall of America. Such a sad ending.

          • Corndog

            Yeah it was a real shame. A waste of talent.

          • Trovoid

            Never considered that. That would make sense.

          • Trovoid

            I remember that. Was that seriously several years ago?? Time keeps speeding up, I can’t handle it.

          • Corndog

            Yeah it sure was! It must be about 2 years now since he died? It was the last few years leading up to that.

            It seems the older you get the faster your perception of time going by is. My kid is almost 12 years old now. Freaks me out!

          • Trovoid

            It’s horrifying. I try to switch up the days to slow it all down, but to no avail.

      • JangleAtmo

        Vedder had range when need be. That set of high notes he hits towards the end of “Dissident” is glorious.

  • Rizz

    STP deserve the accolades. Great music during a great time. I was 18 yrs old in 1992…..and loved it all.

  • Anonymous501

    Wow you guys are crazy. STP were awesome and Pearl Jam are still awesome. STP’s first four albums were really good. I think they had more than a few songs. PJ put out a craptonne of great albums and became an amazing live band.

    How do people get into a bickering war of which one is better, when both bands are worth listening too?

  • Kay B

    STP should have never been compared to the two. Totally different. I can see the comparison of Creed and PJ better.

  • Stone Gossardish

    Brendan O’Brien has as much to do with the sound similarities as anything outside the director of that one video of STP’s where they had Weiland look like Vedder.

    • Corndog

      The Plush Video? I always thought that he looked like he was trying to do Eddie’s weird facial expressions in that video, but i didn’t think that he sounded like him at all.

      • Stone Gossardish

        The look, exactly. And that’s probably more on the director and band management than on a young band.

  • Raj

    STP was definitely give a bad rap as soon as Plush came out they jumped all over Weiland saying how he was trying to be a Vedder clone no that came much later with guys like Stapp. Yeah critics jumped on them but never listening to the album is just plain disgraceful and totally lacking professionalism.

    • Dave

      Nobody is going to win the ‘my band is better than your band’ argument. It’s pointless. I blame Brendan O’Brien for this…lol

  • Metropolitan™🤺

    ripoffs is harsh but they a post grunge band postgunge being a sub genre of alternative rock but is derived frome the initial grunge movement that started to hit in late 91 early 92

    • Mike

      No they’re not, they made a demo with the songs from Core in 1990.

  • Kay B

    Weiland can pull off a wearing a dress. It’s obvious he is a better rock star let’s be honest.

  • frank

    Anybody that thinks vedder is a better vocalist than weiland is a special kind of idiot vedder mumbles and u can barley understand what is coming out of his mouth and they sound nothing alike I have every record of both bands

    • Corndog

      I personally prefer Eddie Vedder, and i can understand what he says just fine.

  • Douglas M Schuetz

    I assume this artice is from 1993?

  • Mike

    They should have just pointed out that they made a demo with the same songs from Core in 1990. That would have shut the whole thing down.