Tool Fan Feels ‘Ripped Off’ After Attending $500 Show: ‘It’s Insulting’

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straponheart posted the following on Tool’s Reddit:

When the music clinics were announced many of you criticized them as a greedy cash grab. I recognized it was comically expensive but trusted they we’re better than that and that if they were charging $500 without Maynard they would at least give us a great experience and not phone it in. I was totally wrong.

For anyone on the fence about going to the remaining ones, here’s an overview of the night

The entire thing was 2 hours and wrapped up by 10 PM

I wasnt expecting a full concert, but this barely constituted a performance. By my count they played 5 (shorter) songs which peaked with Jambi and a shortened Descending. We also got a 2 min abstract modular synth jam. There weren’t any real “favorites” played and no material we hadn’t heard before.

We got to see a music video for Opiate which they didn’t play along to and was cut off in the middle. Adam said this was to “make more money off of us” which would have been a funny self-deprecation if it didn’t seem true.

Not the band’s fault, but the questions were mostly awful and cringeworthy. From maybe 12 questions we got not one, but TWO about if they thought VR was cool, a rambling story about Mandala pads being out of stock, a dude asking why the Toms on one specific drum fill pans right to left instead left to right, a nonsensical question about why Danny played a ‘creepy’ solo at the same time someone in the audience fell down (?) at a show in New Orleans years ago, a guy asking Adam what it’s like to do all the artwork for the band (he doesn’t), a plea for them to tour SE Asia, someone asking if they liked the movie Annihilation, whether or not they would tour Asia and the obligatory “what psychedelics do you use” question. A lot of the others they didn’t really directly answer and we got rehashed answers. There were a few cool insights about the songwriting process but most of these we’d already heard ad verbatim.

Plenty of fans were on their worst behavior and shouting the entire time. Alex mentioned how much he respected Paul for walking away to which numerous people responded by screaming “fuck Paul”.

The “meet and greet” for me consisted of a blurry picture with just Justin and Danny since Adam left like 15 min in.

The security made us sign waivers, locked our phones up, and wouldn’t let us bring anything to sign. I had a backpack since I flew in and they refused to let me in with it so I had to pay a bartender across the street to hold it. This wasn’t unexpected but not very “intimate”.

The special merch was supposed to be at the show but they said there were logistical issues so they would be shipping it to us. With an extra shipping fee.

I wish I hadn’t gone because it made it harder to love this band. Only the most hardcore fans with money to burn should attend and only if you get off on “we love you guys, you’re the 5th member of the band” type platitudes (the spinal tap Simpsons comes to mind) or just want to bask in their presence that bad. For $500 and no Maynard this should either have been longer or more intimate (it was still hundreds of people). It wasn’t absymal but it’s almost insulting they charged that much for it.

I flew from another city for this shit. I had to miss another obligation because they refused to refund or transfer my ticket. I feel pretty bad for the dude who flew from Bangladesh…

The music clinic was a rip-off from r/ToolBand

  • Mikk Graverson

    Hey if you could stop copy and pasteing peoples reddit posts as “news” that would be great

    • Olga Stewart

      If only.

      Meaning that Brett won’t stop with the copying and pasting. :(.

      • Mikk Graverson

        Brett is a fucking D-Bag lol. God forbid he actually “write” an article

    • Corndog

      And if your granny had wheels she’d be a wagon.

      • Olga Stewart

        Ha!

      • Katie

        lol

        • Olga Stewart

          He does come up with some doozies, huh? :).

    • Nick

      Yup. Presenting one side of the story, and simply copying and pasting a single reddit post at that. This guy’s job seems challenging…

      • Katie

        Actually… it is. He ran this site years ago when it was called *Grunge Report* – when he was still attending college, Brett has run and managed this site for years. He also maintains everything about this site, appearance, choice of music news… etc. Not an easy task. But again… if you dislike it so much, plenty of rock & roll news websites to visit.

        • Nick

          That’s true. Point taken. I’m not being forced to come here, so I won’t.

    • Katie

      Hey if you don’t like the way Brett runs this website, there are literally dozens of music sites on the web, ok? Thanks for your comment and thanks for dropping by… 🙂 Peace.

  • Corndog

    What did this guy expect? They totally saw him coming. It had train wreck written all over it since it was first announced.

    • Olga Stewart

      But to be fair, I do also feel badly for the fellow who came all the way from Bangladesh to attend this thing.

      • Corndog

        Tool must have some really loyal fans. Not a chance i would pay $500 to see Pearl Jam, especially if Eddie wasn’t with them.

        • Mikk Graverson

          Who would pay a dollar to hear Eddie Vedders constipated sounding ass

          • Corndog

            Some folks with a really weird faeces fetish i suppose? I can’t really see anyone else being interested in someones ass, but you know, if that’s your thing, you go girl.

          • Katie

            lol !!! Entertaining…

          • Corndog

            Thanks Katie:)

          • Mikk Graverson

            The funny thing is the farts that come out of eddie vedders ass literally do sound better then his voice. So yes as a matter of fact I would rather listen to his ass then his mouth

          • Corndog

            Whatever works for you man. If farts are what you’re into then you knock yourself out.

          • Mikk Graverson

            No no not into farts or poop just stating the simple fact that farts and poop sound better then eddie vedder. Sorry during the grunge era everyone I knew listened to AIC and Soundgarden while all of the asspackers in flannel listened to Pearl Jam. If you like voices similar to Chad Kroegers of Nickelback more power to ya man.

          • Corndog

            It’s really quite simple. You don’t like Pearl Jam, don’t listen to them. It’s not rocket science. Acting like a child arguing Star Wars is better than Star Trek really isn’t necessary.

          • Olga Stewart

            I’m thinking that Milk must know Dave.

          • Corndog

            They do share the same obnoxious and erroneous ideas that their opinions are the only ones that matter. I actually laughed out loud at this guys reasoning for PJ being bad. All the cool kids, who of course just happened to be his circle of friends preferred AiC, and all the other kids that he wasn’t friends with – the non cool ones of course because reasons, they liked Pearl Jam and wearing flannel:) I mean seriously. What rock are these people crawling out from under?

            I don’t know why they always feel the need to tell me how bad they think Pearl Jam and/or Eddie are, like i’m going to care whether they like them or not. Why on earth would i care? Listen to whatever music works for you, and i’ll do the same. It’s almost like they think telling me they don’t like Pearl Jam is supposed to be some sort of personal insult to me, but i’m not a member of the band so what makes them think i am going to be offended? It’s all a bit mental, just like the folks saying it.

          • Olga Stewart

            I suppose with all of the attention that they give you, that they are fascinated by you.

            I just reread that previous sentence. And I shuddered.

            On second thought, that first sentence doesn’t exist. Hee hee.

          • Corndog

            Well if that’s the case they’re in for a big disappointment:)

          • Olga Stewart

            Apparently not you.

          • Katie

            Oh dear heavens… GO AWAY. Or at least stop trolling Corndog. You despise PJ & Nirvana. I get it. I don’t agree with you – but I get it. Please find something else to talk about, and if at all possible, try a positive bent… hmmm?

          • Olga Stewart

            I’m not sure that some of these posters know what the word positive means.

            Though I am positive that they know how to be negative l.

        • Katie

          I wouldn’t pay $500 to sit down and have dinner with Alice In Chains. Seriously…

          • Corndog

            If I paid that much I’d be expecting your uncle Eddie to hang around my house and do dishes for a fortnight:)

          • Olga Stewart

            I’d love to be a fly on the wall in order to see Eddie washing your dishes. :).

          • Corndog

            I wonder if he sings while he does the dishes? He better bring his A game:)

          • Olga Stewart

            Else he also is vacuuming the floors. :).

          • Corndog

            I think i might get him to wash the windows while he’s at it too. It’s been a while:)

          • Olga Stewart

            You taskmaster you! :).

          • Corndog

            While he’s doing that, I’ll make him a nice cup of chai and we can sit down when he’s done and discuss the dire state his voice! Give his ass a good talking to:)
            Probably shouldn’t say that in case that dude from yesterday that was obsessed with Eddie’s ass and poop takes it literally!

          • Olga Stewart

            You’re killing me here. :).

          • Corndog

            I’m on all night:)

          • Mikk Graverson

            Im sure you are… judging by your comments you dont seem to have much of a life besides sitting in your basement and beating your meat to eddie vedder and brett buchannan. Probly while listening to the end of “alive” where it sounds like eddie is either shitting his pants or creaming his pants “yeah ya uhhbhhbhbb yeah uh ughhhh huhhhhh yayayayahaha” hahaha

          • Corndog

            And you’re done. You won’t be missed.

          • Olga Stewart

            Yes! :).

          • Corndog

            That guy Mikk appeared again last night and had another pop at me and Brett, including some bizarre homoerotic masturbation images, and such incredible misplaced rage. He’s a really angry wee man and for some reason he wants to take it out on me and Brett. I honestly think that he may have some repressed issues around his own sexuality and this appears to be his only way of dealing with those feelings. If that is the case, i hope he can get some help so he doesn’t have to be so angry and spew such vitriol all the time. Far as i was concerned though, his last comment was a step too far so i have banned his account. He won’t be bothering us again.

          • Olga Stewart

            I am very sorry to hear about what happened.

            But hopefully this will be the end of it.

            And like you, I also hope that he gets some help.

          • Corndog

            That’s the end of it until the next one i guess. We’ve had two in the last week!

            I’d like to think that i am a reasonably nice person and treat people around here with respect so i don’t know why they keep singling me out. I can and absolutely will give as good as i get if the need arises though, but if they take it too far then there is nothing else for it but banning their account. No one wants weirdos following people around the site and constantly giving them vicious, angry shit simply because they like a different band to them. It’s childish, pointless and crass, and it makes no sense to me whatsoever. We can do without folks like them around here. As said, his last comment was the final straw. I considered replying to it and biting back, but he really wasn’t worth it.

          • Olga Stewart

            People go after you, myself, and others who both speak the truth and refuse to be bullied about it.

            The truth for whatever reason scares them and so they need to attack in order to feel secure.

            But then there are also those who refuse to realize that people can both have differences of opinion and still be able to communicate. And they do that by respecting each other’s viewpoints, agreeing to disagree, and then moving on.

            Then there are the ones who want to be nasty, mean, rude, and everything else negative because they think it’s smart. When really it’s a reflection of how they hurt inside.

            Lastly, there are just the weird idiots (as I like to call them).

            I know that it’s not nice to call names and to be judgmental. But some of these people don’t seem to respond to decency, respect, and civility. So it’s beyond me to know how else to describe them.

            Also, I feel sorry for all of them.

            In the end, the way I deal with them all is to block them. It makes for a smaller group of people to communicate with. But with the people who are left, hopefully I can have polite, civil, respectful, interesting, and quality conversations with them.

            Sorry for the novel on this. But today is not an easy day for me (because of Chris’s passing). So when I feel deeply, I tend to get wordy.

          • Corndog

            That’s not a problem Olga and i pretty much agree with everything that you have said here. There really is no need for these people to behave like this. It’s only music after all.

            Sorry to hear that you’re feeling a bit down today. Hopefully it’ll pass quickly. Let me know if there is anything that i can do.

          • Olga Stewart

            Thank you.

            I lit into Brett on his article about the ugly drama surrounding Chris.

            The comment will probably get deleted. But I damn well don’t care.

            This is a difficult day for a lot of people and it really doesn’t help to have your hand smacked, as it were.

            I will be okay.

            But thank you for both listening to me prattle on and for your kindness. And both are most appreciated. :).

          • Corndog

            No problem Olga:)

          • Olga Stewart

            Again, thank you.

          • Mikk Graverson

            Your humor is sooooo dry. Your kids must think your as whack as I do lol

      • Nick

        That guy looked like he was having an amazing time, and got to ask the band a question. Why do you feel badly for him? Because YOU think his experience should’ve been negative?

        • Olga Stewart

          No, I feel badly for him because he had no idea of what sort of experience he was going to have.

          But obviously, I was mistaken about that.

          So thank you for pointing that out.

          • Nick

            Not trying to be a dick, and apologies if I came across that way. But no reason to feel bad for that guy…I think he was genuinely glad he came.

          • Olga Stewart

            Unfortunately, your message came across that way, tone wise.

            But thank you for the apology.

            However, I still bad for the fellow because it’s a long way to come for an event where the lead singer wasn’t present.

            What’s the point then?

          • Nick

            This is what I’m taking objection to, and hence the tone of my reply. Just because you feel like it wouldn’t be worth it, doesn’t mean everyone does. Feeling bad for someone who had a positive experience, because you think they shouldn’t have enjoyed it.

            It’s your opinion, not his.

          • Olga Stewart

            You don’t get where I’m coming from.

            And I just don’t really have the time or patience to explain it any more.

            So why don’t we just agree to disagree on this.

          • Nick

            No explanation needed–I understand your point clearly. I just think it’s unfairly judgmental.

            But yes, we can agree to disagree.

        • Olga Stewart

          And thanks for making assumptions.

          That really helps you to feel superior, now doesn’t it?

        • Olga Stewart

          By the way, why capitalize you?

          Trying to make a point?

          I got the condescending tone in your reply without you having to capitalize the word.

          And damn me for having my own opinion.

          • Nick

            You’re entitled to your opinion, for sure. I was just curious why you felt that way. And you is now lowercase. My bad.

          • Olga Stewart

            I explained why I feel this way in my previous comment to you.

            I accept your apology.

            And I’m sorry for coming across as being bitchy.

  • William Hendricks

    Dont get copying some random person on the internet as news. Nothing Tool can do about the awful fan questions and this person went in with expectations that didnt match what was explained would be at the event. Sucker. Tough to feel bad for these peeps

    • Nick

      It’s definitely not news. And I agree with you–go in with a set of expectations, and when things don’t go EXACTLY how you want them, make a long, negative post on reddit about how it was a ripoff. Ignoring all the cool shit that happened. Then it becomes an article word-for-word on a “news” site. I love the internet.

  • Nick

    I just hope people realize that for every negative experience being had at these events, there are countless positive experiences. Everyone I spoke to after the Chicago event had a great time, as did I. It’s all relative to what you were expecting. Definitely not a ripoff in my eyes.

    • Katie

      And I agree. I also believe that most folks who read/post here would automatically come to the conclusion that this indeed – – was a single person’s opinion, and Brett made it clear that the post came from Reddit.

      • Nick

        It’d just be nice to see the other side of the story…the positive reddit comments as well. There’s no counter-point in this article, which is sort of misleading.

  • Katie

    All I can say is that if I had a spare $500… I would put it in the bank toward my down-payment on a house. Yes, he’s just one fan. But his insight was complete, and perhaps other folks on the fence might make their decision based on what he reported. I don’t know about anyone else, but $500 is a lot of money to me.

    • Nick

      Of course, it’s not for everyone.

  • DanSwon

    TOOL know how obsessive their fans are. This is an abuse of power purely for monetary gain, and it is grotesque. Shameful. Isn’t that exactly the kind of thing they condemn in their lyrics? The show sounds really awful too.