Gene Simmons is never one to hold back. Whether he’s talking about KISS, money, or rock legends, The Demon always has something to say. And in a recent interview on Billboard’s Behind The Setlist podcast, Gene turned his sights on The Rolling Stones, calling their live performances, well, a little sloppy.
During the podcast, Gene Simmons shared some insights about how musicians approach touring, drawing inspiration from the Chitlin’ Circuit. Simmons explained how Berry famously toured without a band, relying instead on local musicians who learned his songs from records.
Gene connected this to The Rolling Stones’ live performances, which he described as ‘kind of sloppy’ and ‘greasy.’ He didn’t mean it as an insult—well, not entirely. Now, before Stones fans grab their pitchforks, let’s hear Gene out.
When asked how the idea for touring without managers and a road crew came about, Simmons replied: “Actually, it was done by black musicians when they played the Chitlin’ Circuit, what used to be the black clubs, ’cause they couldn’t play white clubs. So Chuck Berry, as an example, famously would show up with his guitar, and there was a local band. Now, I don’t do that — I take my band with me — but Berry would show up, and he’d tell the guys, ‘Study the records, learn these songs, I’m gonna show up,’ and no rehearsal, nothing. Just let it happen. And you can be as tight as THE [Rolling] Stones. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen The Stones live. No matter how much they rehearse, there’s this kind of sloppy, greasy way of doing it. And you never quite know where the end of the song is — it never quite ends — because there is no end; you just kind of feel it. So it’s very easy. We have a lot of fun. The fans are, as they say on the street, digging it. And then you die. That’s all there is.”
“I thought I could stay away from the stage [after the completion of KISS’s ‘End Of The Road’ farewell tour]. It bears noting that there’s a magic that happens up there that words don’t really sort of describe. It’s a feeling, and it’s tough to talk about feelings. It’s probably closer to… There used to be a guy named Dr. [Arthur] Janov and he had a kind of a strange hippie point of view about people having their stuff pent up. So you put people in a padded room. And it was called scream therapy. You go in there and you just let loose and reportedly — I was never part of that, but reportedly — people would come out drenched in sweat and relieved and tired and you expel all this stuff. And going through life, there are rules. You can’t compliment women too much. There’s no more hugging. There’s all these rules. You can’t do trans jokes, g*y jokes, Jew jokes, black — you can’t do any of that stuff because we’re very sort of… There are subtle rules that we all have to be aware of. Not on stage. You are free. You just expel all this energy, and it’s this celebration of life with the fans and you, and you get to this kind of joyous place. So the Gene Simmons Band is a chance for me, with some friends who are monsters on their instruments, to go out there and just have a great time. It bears noting we don’t have managers, road crew, nothing. No trucks, nothing. The local promoters provide the backline, and we just get up there and play. And there are no set-in-stone setlists. Fans can yell, ‘Hey, why don’t you do ‘Almost Human’ from 1804?’ You betcha. And you break into it. Or, ‘Do you guys know ‘Whole Lotta Love’?’ ‘Yeah, I think so.’ And you break into it. Or you jam. And at every show we bring fans up on stage. ‘Can you sing?’ ‘Can you play? Let’s have a party.'”
Regarding what the difference is to him financially when he plays shows with his solo band compared to how it was with KISS, Gene said: “I make more [with my solo band]. Yeah, there’s no managers, no private jets, no 20 tractor trailers, no 60-man crew, no huge shows. And the pyro alone for every [KISS] show was 10 grand, sometimes 50, depending if you go outdoors — enormous, enormous costs for doing that — but proud to have done that with [fellow KISS founder] Paul [Stanley] and the rest of the guys in the band. But this is a decidedly different thing. It’s almost as if you decided to rent some amps in a garage and plug in and then everybody from the neighborhood comes in and you have a much different relationship. There’s none of that sort of prepared thing. It’s very informal and an awful lot of fun.”
