Marilyn Manson Bandmate Believes Chester Bennington & Chris Cornell ‘Punished’ Others

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Marilyn Manson’s former bandmate Madonna Wayne Gacy linked to a story with the headline “BANDMATE ON WHY MARILYN MANSON IS ‘MORE OF A FIGHTER’ THAN CHESTER BENNINGTON & CHRIS CORNELL” on Facebook. He wrote, “Some of us get help. We call doctors, we see psychiatrists & therapists…we do not punish others with our self-destructive tendencies.”

A fan mentioned that Manson is an only child.

“And maybe that is what keeps him alive, and I appreciate that.”

“I am certainly not saying he is some role model, I am just saying that he hasn’t killed himself and ruined his children’s lives.”

“Everything I say is honestly in my heart, at the moment I say it.”

“I feel for him, any person whom you truly loved… a little piece of you will always love.”

“I don’t know what keeps him motivated, I just know that he keeps alive…”

He then discussed depression.

“I found it somewhat silly that they thought I did not understand the chemical imbalances of depression nor the actual feeling of it…. I sooo do…and therefore I comment.”

“I am not a hero nor a role model, I’m a person just like them… However, I choose to fight against the easy way out.”

“Not that we don’t want to end this pain, but that we know that others are in Greater pain and still continue.”

“Become a masochist, get into the pain.”

“The universe is a teacher, a very strict Japanese sensei, who will make you do the thing you hate most until you no longer hate it.”

“Get into it and you shall get over it.”

  • Kay B

    This guy really has nothing better to do.

  • Eddie Yarler

    It sucks that rock music has become so stagnant that this is all that comprises news now. Its not much different at Blabbermouth either.

  • Barbara M Weiss

    NOPE

  • joanna davis

    depression can overpower you and make you forget your ties to life, your family,
    your friends, and push you over the ledge.

    all it takes is one weak moment of letting your guard down and it will overwhelm you.

    someone who is not depressed would not understand that.

    chris cornell had lost a lot of weight, skinny, was unkempt, scruffy and had a disturbed look in his eyes,the warning signs were there.

    but by contrast, chester was on the path of recovery, physically very fit, muscular, well groomed,
    energetic on stage and full of life.

    I guess chris’ death hit him hard and added to his past trauma, maybe it was all too much
    to take. i guess we will never know.

    • manezi

      well said

    • Cathy

      Chris was always a good looking guy so, yes, there were red flags with his recent appearance. I wonder why he was wearing the sunglasses or dark shade prescription glasses even indoors.

      • makingconnections

        People with chronic migraine sometimes wear sunglasses or dark shade glasses indoors. They are light-sensitive and the fluorescent light fixtures are a real trigger.

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      • brownin329

        he was touring and tired. that wasn’t a red flag.

        • Cathy

          But his weight loss and disheveled appearance was!! He looked troubled. So much I commented to friends when I saw him sing The Promise live and at the premiere. His Jan 2017 performance with Audioslave members was also telling.

          • Cathy

            Photo around the time of the London premiere with Chris meeting Amal Clooney. He didn’t look well and it really doesn’t even look like him https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c14eb3981a169e840400cad3d74592fe63361588735093b5280e707caf24930.jpg

          • Eleanor

            OMG… You’re right..

          • Sophia

            Wow, he looks awful and, you’re right, almost unrecognizable.

            The Real Sophia

          • Trovoid

            I just thought he was obsessed with his weight. It makes sense now.. He had anorexic tendencies in the 90s, especially around the Euphoria Morning days. It seems this was him at his thinnest.. So sad.

          • Cathy

            His eyes don’t look right either. Far cry from how he was looking, say, 14 years ago.

      • Sophia

        I have very light blue eyes and am overly sensitive to light. I wear sunglasses (lightly tinted ones), even if it’s pouring rain. And I sleep with blackout shades plus a sleep mask. Most people with light eyes that I know have the same issues…some of them even put all of the lighting in their homes on dimmers.

        I wear contact lenses, and Chris did too but it seemed as though he didn’t wear them all of the time. Some people just find them uncomfortable. So I think he wore glasses instead much of the time. As for wearing tinted lenses indoors, I don’t do that but perhaps bright lights induced migraines for him or perhaps the indoor lighting was just too bright.

        The Real Sophia

        • Cathy

          I never really ever saw him with dark glasses indoors, except recently. Given how his eyes looked (almost empty/disturbed) as someone mentioned above, I have a feeling the shades were being worn to conceal IMO

          • Sophia

            Could be. I didn’t want to mention that as I thought it might open a whole other can of worms (i.e., wearing them to hide his state of mind vs. wearing them to hide blown pupils as some others in Hollywood are prone to do.)

            The Real Sophia

          • Sophia

            My question is why does VK wear dark sunglasses indoors?

            The Real Sophia

          • makingconnections

            I wear mine more often when it’s a day that I feel butt ugly….not indoors though….hard to see!

          • Cathy

            Well Sophia, I’d rather not say here

    • sophia

      Regarding the warning signs – since Chris’ death I’ve been wondering why nobody of his family, friends or bandmates saw the warning signs. I mean the signs were pretty obvious, I think it began at the end of last year that he started looking as if something’s not right… so why the hell did nobody notice it? When we as strangers see the obvious, why’s everybody wondering that he did what he did? Was everybody busy with themselves, while Chris was helping where he can, giving so much? I really don’t understand all of this, it just makes no sense.

      • joanna davis

        i think sometimes it easy for someone to mask their depression and also easier to pick up things in hindsight rather than foresight.

        Until psychologists can understand what made chris and chester take their own lives, i think going forward, the most obvious thing would be to make sure that the person is never alone in a room at night, even if on tour, let a bandmate share a room with him and if at home, make sure there is always family around.

        • Eleanor

          Very true..

        • Sophia

          I disagree. First off, Chester’s estimated time of death was 9 am, so nothing to do with night time.

          Secondly, these were grown men– they weren’t going to ‘share a room with a band mate’ or always have someone around babysitting them. (Although clearly that’s what Vicky tried to do and look how well that turned out.)

          They both suffered from life-long depression, so are you inferring that they never should’ve been left alone during their entire lives?

          Treating someone as if they constantly need a babysitter is counter-productive, and IMO, would worsen both anxiety and depression.

          The Real Sophia

          • joanna davis

            i dont think i have the right to pass judgement. but its when you are alone with your thoughts that you most become a danger to yourself.

      • Eleanor

        I’m with you, Sophia…

      • Sophia

        Please note, the person who posted above is NOT me. She’s been reported & will be blocked.
        The Real Sophia

        • sophia

          You think there’s just ONE sophia in the whole wide world!?? This is just my name. How stupid.

    • Eleanor

      Well said, Joanna…I agree. His appearance was a sign for sure. And yes…a weak moment is all it takes. That combined with whatever he took that night.

      • Nicola

        In all likelihood, what he “took” right before his death was a last rash of BS from his wife….and decided the alternative (suicide) was a more pleasant choice than a life of neverending misery with her. Toxicology reports did not show any amount of drugs that would be beyond therapeutic. Vicky is blaming the drugs because it makes her look blameless.

        • Carla Sandra

          A beautiful soul, emotionally tortured and pushed to the brink.

        • agentscully514

          Disgusting comment.

        • Eleanor

          Could be some truth in the blameless comment…

  • Thaddeus lovelock

    The depressed mind can create the perception that there is no other way out. Either thought there is.

    • Eleanor

      Wow….

  • Nancy Cavanaugh

    Chris and Chester had every resource available to them. Don’t tell me they were not aware of the pain this would cause their families!!

    • suzanne

      That’s why it seems sooo strange that they would take their lives!
      Both of them loved their wives & kids!
      (& Chris even had a foundation to help children of sexual predators)…
      That’s why I KNOW for sure that it was something in their heads/minds that was sooo out of control that even these strong grown men couldn’t stop the demons & That’s scary!

    • Cathy

      They probably were aware of the pain they would cause and may have struggled for weeks if not months, especially Chris. I have no doubt they loved their kids very much. I think Chester’s death was precipitated by Chris.’ Chris would hug his daughter Toni with so much love and adoration as if he knew he may eventually leave her. Watch video clips…

  • Ski Baron

    This is just a taste of modern culture. The trend began with Kurt Cobain and continues with these rockers. Society as a whole is to blame as everyone now take everything that happens to them in their life as tragedy with no way out. In the past people tried to get strength to fight past their demons, today they just surrender to them. Depression is not new, but how people handle it is new. In fact people are trying to hurt someone by killing themselves it is rarely just to end the pain. Someone has to pay now, even for simple bullying. Society teaches parents to drug their children and the drugs do nothing to help the child function independently. These drugs just make life easier for the parent, who produces children with no bearing on reality. Do we really need legions of middle age people on Ritalin and other mood altering drugs? Seems to me it is not helping anyone. Children and adults with no hope and society teaching them the only way out is drugs and suicide. Maybe parents and children dealing with their problems head on without drugs could be an answer. Everyone these days is too selfish for that. Now days every poor person with their feelings hurt feels the need to kill themselves, usually to get back at others. Things like sex abuse are bad but they have always happened and can always be overcome. However society teaches everyone to wallow in their problems now. Wallow and blame, never heal.

    • suzanne

      Hmmm…1st: I still think KC was shot-up w/additional heroin then shot & killed by someone else.
      2nd: I don’t believe Chris killed himself to hurt his family (or anyone else)… I believe he was in such INNER pain for so long he believed (in a weak moment), that it was the only way to stop the pain…
      & 3rd: I DO believe what u say about modern society & people now being big-*ss wusses & parents enabling this thru uneccesary medicating of their kids etc…
      just saying… 🤔

  • brownin329

    these people are the worst. suicide is never about other people. it is always about the person who did it. it’s not always about depression or alcoholism or trauma either. one day people are going to get a clue.

    • Sophia

      So if it’s not about other people, depression, alcoholism, or trauma, what, in your opinion, is it about?

      The Real Sophia

  • Jul

    Yeah, madonna gacy whatever your name is; the thing is, at times, people who feel terribly horrible (not you apparently, good for you) are just unable to think about their loved ones, it’s beyond their ability, to see past the pain and the life they want to end. It can be done in a matter of seconds. It’s everybody’s loss, and clearly, the term “punish” is clearly over the line. To punish implies an intention, when there is nothing but despair in a case of suicide. Thanks for respecting and thinking very hard before speaking. You’re not “better” because you haven’t killed yourself, you know…

  • Allison Mandel- Giampietro

    Although , I agree with what he is saying I truly don’t think Chris Cornell would have done what he did if he was in a straight mind.

    • Cathy

      #nomorebullshit. Chris knew what he was doing. He was tired of living and all the bull shit as indicated by his very last hashtag.

  • Silly People

    I wish you’d stop publishing this loser’s comments. He’s just looking for attention because no one cares about his music career. No one would know he existed if it weren’t for his time with Manson years ago. And even then, no one cared about Madonna Wayne Gacy. They cared about Manson. I’m curious what he thinks attacking Chris will accomplish, other than hurting Chris’s kids?

  • Jessica Jolly

    I respect everyone’s opinion. Because we all have one. But I don’t agree when someone says that suicide is the “easy” way out. Unfortunately we can’t ask someone if taking their own life was an easy decision to make. Strangulation is not an instant death. It is a way out, but not easy.

  • Sara Samson

    Fuck you Madonna what ever the hell you name is…you don’t know what the truth is!!! Sometimes there is no understanding and guess what your rude comments are hurtful and disrespectful of someone who is no longer able to defend themselves.

  • Dustin Raymann

    Alright, so I am going to jump in on this bullshit. Being someone who lost a dad at 8 years old to suicide and then proceeded to attempt suicide at the age of 19, no matter what you know or tho k about it, you cannot say what that person is feeling or thinking. I was young and knew nothing of life, but I had depression and at the time, my life seemed to be falling apart and in reality it wasn’t that bad at all. I went back and forth for quite some time with giving up and just living life, but one day something in me just came un-chained. I got this idea in my head and I felt like the only person that could have changed it was my mother, but I wouldn’t reach out to her so in that moment, I snapped. I still thought about everyone that I loved and wrote a very brief goodbye and I love you to them. Within 30 min of this idea, I acted on it and tried with what I thought would work and went for it. It nearly worked and fucked my world up, but I survived. No one can tell you that it’s selfish or they aren’t thinking about their loved ones because from experience, we do care about our loved ones, but in my case, I felt like the world (my loved ones) would be better without me. I know it wasn’t a sensible thought, but it’s what came and overtook all of my rational thoughts. I tried to give up and thankfully, it didn’t work. But if anyone ever feels like shit is too hard it they can’t take anymore, reach out to someone…anyone and if that person doesn’t help you, keep looking for help and don’t stop until you get what you need because leaving is never the answer. You might not have things going your way and have horrible thoughts, but help can be achieved.

  • CmT1088

    Let the “has-been” club members talk, they don’t realize this fame-whoring is all they’ll be remembered for in the end. As for the “they were selfish to commit suicide” crowd, let them keep judging and pretending their perfect, Christ-like selves can walk on water. Let’s also hope they’re strong swimmers, because the truth is out there and ready to make them sink:
    Harvard University, Mayo Clinic, British Medical Bulletin/Oxford have online articles on the neurobiology of depression, with solid research to prove this is a genuine medical condition, that can often be brought on by genetics and minor anomalies in brain structure. Depression can also lead to suicide, because sufferers often think they’re so hopeless all the people they love will be better off without them.
    And to add insult to injury, those same self-righteous attitudes make clinically depressed people too ashamed to seek help.
    Chris battled a huge load of pain and fear for 52 years, and still left something incredibly beautiful behind: his music, so he gets nothing short of absolute respect and gratitude from me.

    • Eleanor

      Perfectly said!! Thank you!!

      • CmT1088

        Thank you for not joining the intellectually constipated crowd.

  • Ciara McGinn

    This is obviously coming from a person who doesn’t truly understand. Suicide is not an “easy way out”. It is not a cry for help. It is not an easy decision. Suicide comes as an option many times when dealing with depression – not the answer, but an option. However, when it gets to the stage where you feel you are a burden, a hinderance and utterly useless to those that you love? That is when suicide is no longer an option, but a solution. It is when you feel that those you love would be much better off without you in their world, poisoning their exsistence with your shit. Yes, they will be sad for a while after you passed, but in the long term their lives will be better without you in it. THAT, is suicide. THAT, is the decision you make. THAT, is how low you are. It isn’t about being in pain and being able to magically transform that pain into a form of masochism. It isn’t about “who has the greater pain”. It isn’t about anything except what that person is feeling at the moment they take their life…

  • Sophia

    ‘Become a Masochist, Get Into the Pain?’ WTF?!

    The Real Sophia

  • Eleanor

    Does anyone know if Chris was sexually abused as a kid like
    Chester was? It would explain a lot.

    • Sophia

      He has never said that he was, but his father was abusive towards him.

      The Real Sophia

    • makingconnections

      I think it’s important to know that depression and anxiety can hit anyone, even from a stable family background…..sometimes it just happens as part of trying to do your best and boom…you’re a young person or a middle-aged person and you have something hard to cope with. The thing is it can be managed if you get help and don’t try to hide it or feel that it’s weak and pathetic to ask for help.

  • Cathy

    I’m appalled at some of the articles on AN. Now they just added one (can’t comment again) where they’re promoting little Toni’s vocal coach. Let’s everyone get onto Chris’ gravy train now!! Disgraceful! Everyone looks so happy while Chris is dead. So much for mourning.

    https://www.alternativenation.net/behind-the-scenes-look-debut-chris-cornell-daughter-vocal-coach-family/

    • Sophia

      Yes. I saw that. Wonder how long ago they hired her? Those photos of VK & MIL are disgusting. This was clearly a happy occasion for them & the article was like an advertisement for the vocal coach.

      The Real Sophia

    • makingconnections

      She says in an article that it’s been such a sad time of loss and yet consider the publicity activities since Chris left….People Magazine, Social Media constantly attempting to control the narrative, the children at the ranch with Johnny Ramone’s widow, Disneyland, tribute at grave site, planning the statue and little Toni’s musical event….now more articles for public consumption on this site and others.

      • Sophia

        Don’t know if you saw the recent article: now there are going to be 2 statues–one at the cemetery & one in Seattle. She hired the guy who designed Johnny Ramone’s statue to do the one in Seattle, and it will be ready in about 7 months. (It sounds as though she’s already approved the design.)

        She’s still spinning–she states in the article that Seattle was Chris’ home, etc., etc. Probably in response to the backlash from fans, saying that he should’ve been buried there.

        Busy, busy, busy.

        The Real Sophia