Smashing Pumpkins Bassist D’arcy Holds Nothing Back In First Interview In 20 Years

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Last week, Alternative Nation published an article titled: ‘How D’arcy Could Still Join Smashing Pumpkins Reunion.’ News had broke a week or two prior that D’arcy, The Smashing Pumpkins’ original bassist, would not be part of the reunited lineup with Billy Corgan, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin, and Jeff Schroeder. Alternative Nation posed the idea of D’arcy performing as a special guest on the tour, like Steven Adler on Guns N’ Roses’ 2016 tour. A mysterious commenter named Fey Wutt left some comments on the article that appeared to have firsthand knowledge about D’arcy’s reunion negotiations. I did some research, and managed to email ‘Fey Wutt,’ and Sunday D’arcy emailed me and confirmed it was her.

On Monday night, just hours following The Smashing Pumpkins releasing their official statement in response to D’arcy’s posts on Facebook and Blast Echo, she called me and agreed to do her first in-depth interview in 20 years. I don’t do many interviews on Alternative Nation anymore, as the PR and ‘business’ side of the industry has burned me out, but getting the chance to tell D’arcy’s story was a thrill. We did the interview, and in total ended up talking for four hours. She’s the most engaging interview subject I’ve ever had on Alternative Nation, and one of the most fascinating people I’ve ever spoken to. In addition to the interview, she also shared new text conversations she had with Corgan. Note that this interview was edited for continuity and clarity.

As we started our conversation, D’arcy gave her take on the Pumpkins’ statement about her reunion exclusion.

“[Billy] has been telling people, ‘Well [The Smashing Pumpkins] haven’t played with [D’arcy] at all in 18 years.’ Right dumbass, because then it wouldn’t be a reunion! He says that he’s invited me to come out and play for all of these things, which is a complete lie. He’s never invited me to anything. In fact, my feelings were a little bit hurt because he did the solo album tour, and he didn’t tell me when it started. I was texting him saying, ‘Where the fuck are you dumbass?’ He’s like, ‘Oh, I’m in New York. The tour started.’ Then I’m like, ‘Where are you?’ ‘Oh, the tour ended, you missed it.’ He thinks it’s a privilege for anyone to be in his presence, so therefore he shouldn’t have to tell me, and I shouldn’t have to be invited.”

To tell the whole story of D’arcy’s exclusion from the 2018 Smashing Pumpkins reunion, we started the interview by going back to her 1999 Smashing Pumpkins departure.

I wanted to start in 1999, because that’s when you left. What’s the story behind you leaving in the middle of the recording of MACHINA/The Machines of God, right after The Arising! tour

That was more towards the end of the recording actually. We probably did most of it before the tour, and I was told by both James and Billy that they were going to change my basslines and re-record them, but for the most part they didn’t. It was mostly my stuff, and they actually sent me some of the Gold records from it. Now Billy is saying that’s not true. You must have seen his lovely Instagram post, he’s saying now that he isn’t throwing shade, but with the hashtag #becarefulwhatyouwishfor. No, that was directed totally at me, the whole thing.

He’s so full of it man. The whole post talks about the past, and then he talks about how we should all live in the present, and how he’s been doing that, and he’s so spiritual now and everything. But they’re going to redo the video for Today? He won’t deal with anybody else’s problems with the past with him; he’s the only one who is allowed to talk about that stuff. Billy demands 150% loyalty from everyone, but gives none.

But the thing with that was I was going through a really bad time, I didn’t know what was happening, I was having a nervous breakdown. I had 30 plus panic attacks a day, I didn’t know what it was, it was terrible. The day after the tour, I had tried to quit two or three times, but it’s difficult to do when you have everybody, my husband, my family, telling me, ‘No, no, just wait until the next record. All of these people are depending on you, all of these people who work for you guys, don’t just think of yourself.’ I just should have left a couple of years earlier.

After the KISS shows in LA, Billy and James came over to my apartment and told me they would give me three months off. That was in the spring. Even before that, I met some people who were [setting up] a movie with me and Jeordie [White] and Mickey Rourke. They actually wanted me to get in touch with Melissa auf der Maur too (chuckles). So I was going to continue with that, and when Billy found out I was working towards doing that, he was furious, and had someone call me. They said, ‘Billy thinks that if you’re well enough to do a movie, you should be well enough to be in the studio. So you have to come back.’ I said, ‘Tell Billy to call me himself then.’ Billy would never call me himself; he would always have somebody else call me.

Even when he took out those ads in the newspapers and stuff, it was like; call me yourself motherfucker, what’s wrong with you? Joe Shanahan from the Metro asked him what would make the last show with James from the MACHINA tour special, and Billy said, ‘It would be really nice if D’arcy would come back and play.’ So he had Joe call me, he still wouldn’t call me himself. I don’t respect that, it’s pathetic. He’s always been so insecure, and jealous. He’s too insecure to do his own solo thing, but wanting to take credit for everything.

I wanted to ask about your relationship with Billy, it had to start with a friendship, right?

No, no. We were never friends.

I know the story about you guys having an argument at that concert, and that’s how you joined the band. But how did it go from you guys cordially getting along in a band, to where you were at near the end?

Cordially? It was never cordial. He just would throw tantrums and I would laugh at him. James would say, ‘Don’t laugh at Billy!’ Why not? Who died and made him God? We would be writing a song, and he would say, ‘That’s not the right bassline!’ ‘Oh, you’re telling me it’s written already?’ Eric Remschneider, who played cello for us on I think Siamese Dream, we were in the recording studio with him, and Eric and I were really close, he’s hysterical and a brilliant guy. Billy kept saying, ‘That’s not what I want.’ Eric said, ‘You said you wanted a professional cellist, not a psychic cellist, and I’m not psychic.’

Anyhow though, when Billy fired me, James went along with him, because he said he thought that’s what I wanted. James just needs to grow a spine, Jesus.

Another thing Billy mentioned on his Instagram post was playing bass on “Today.” What did you play on, what were your contributions to the Pumpkins’ albums?

So many songs, I can hardly remember which. When a song comes on the radio of ours, I’ll be like, ‘That sounds pretty good, that sounds familiar! Oh, that’s us!’ I couldn’t listen to our music for many, many years, I was very ill. I was going through a divorce, and physically sick almost all the time, so much stress. I’ve always been a perfectionist and maybe more than slightly obsessive compulsive. I’m really hard on myself, and if somebody is harder than me than I am on myself, it’s ridiculous, I can’t, it’s too much. It was mostly that Billy would have a scapegoat for three months, and then somebody else. He doesn’t understand that other people don’t think like him, he always thinks that everybody is in the same mood as him. He would get really angry if he was depressed and you were happy.

My other question about the recording process was is was there an album that stands out to you, that you remember having a lot of input on?

Going in the studio with the band was always a fucking nightmare. I’ve been in the studio before with a different band I was in, and it was awesome and so much fun. I’ve toured with other bands, and it’s been fun. It was always just awful. When we were recording Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness in Atlanta (Editor’s note: She may actually be referring to Siamese Dream) I had a miscarriage because of the stress. Nobody knows that, except for my sister and Kerry Brown, my ex-husband. The band doesn’t know that, nobody knows that. The stress was so much that I had a miscarriage. It was very traumatic.

There’s so much ugliness. Billy loved to humiliate people and shame people in front of other people. It was incredibly abusive, and I was the only one who would fight back. I think he and Jimmy got in a couple fights, and he and James maybe five, but with he and I it was screaming matches all the time. I just got to the point where I couldn’t fight anymore, and I needed to leave.

Now you left in 1999, and I know it’s hard to summarize your entire life, but a lot of fans don’t know much at all about what you’ve been up to in the last 18 years. So what were you doing in the initial years after leaving the Pumpkins in 1999?

First I was in LA trying to do some movie stuff, but the Mickey Rourke movie never panned out. I tried to get a hold of Melissa for that, they wanted her, and I was like, ‘Okay, I’ll give her a call.’ She wouldn’t answer my call, and this was right after Billy and James had told me they were giving me three months off. Billy had already spoken to Melissa, because there was no reason she wouldn’t call me back.

It’s just like this thing now, when we were talking about the splits, he had told me it would be 25/25/25/25. I asked him about it, and we discussed it. We talked about doing this for two years, ever since we started talking again. I have these texts, I was like, ‘I’m not going to go back as a hired gun.’ He said it wouldn’t be like that. Now he doesn’t remember, and the best thing he could come up with was 22/22/22. When I told him what happened, that he said we’d do equal splits, he’s like, ‘Well, I don’t remember that, so I can’t say I changed my mind, but business is such…’ Then he goes into this whole kind of Billy Gobbledygook thing, nothing really but talking an awful lot, and making up words. That’s one of the things I always loved about him. He always sounds like he’s running for office.

You should have heard him the day he validated Mozart’s music (laughs). James and I wanted to strangle him. We were on a plane on tour with all of these studio musicians who were just so even keeled, and the only way they could stay in the business at that level is to be level headed, and just let things go. These are classically trained people, and I’m classically trained as well. He’s sitting there literally validating Mozart like, ‘Hey, it’s okay to like Mozart, because I just realized that he was a genius.’ It’s like oh my god, I can’t listen to him talk any more! (Groans) What was the question?

(Laughs) I was asking you what you were up to the few years after 1999.

I did a lot, I was either doing a shitload of stuff, or I was sick. I would just work myself to death. I almost died one time, I had a very large equestrian center with a show barn and there were over 90 stalls. It snowballed and did very well, but it’s just extremely difficult to find people to work around here, and I was working 20 hours a day living on coffee, cigarettes, and donuts. I had bronchitis and pneumonia, and I ended up with a kidney infection, I was minutes from death.

So that was one thing that I did. Then I lived in Texas, I went there for four days on vacation and stayed for like five years. Austin is awesome.

I know, I went there a couple times last year. My friend lives there, and it’s beautiful.

Yeah, I went to a lot of shows when I was in Austin. If anybody knew who I was, they didn’t say anything, they didn’t care. It was really nice; I enjoyed living there for the most part.

You know how they’re always telling you in school drugs will do this to you; they’ll do that to you, drinking kills your brain cells? At the time I was like good, maybe I can kill off all these horrible memories, because I have night terrors, panic disorder, you name it. I was like; I’m going to see if I can’t kill those brain cells off! I wouldn’t recommend it, it didn’t work. I count myself lucky to be alive.

I wanted to ask about that, how did you overcome that?

Well I’m just incredibly lucky; I don’t have a genetic predisposition for addiction to anything but television, that’s pretty much it. My metabolism just changes so quickly that I can’t do very many different kinds of drugs. I was self-medicating, or as I said in Texas, trying to kill my brain. I even tried to OD, and it didn’t work. I could do copious amounts of things, but the stuff stops working, and if you’re ever doing it for fun, it doesn’t work, and then you couldn’t get real drugs.

I got to the point where I found the right medication for me, and didn’t need them anymore. I’ve never been addicted to anything, I could smoke socially. I was in rehab, and many doctors didn’t believe that I could just smoke socially. Lots of people smoke socially, if I could buy a pack of cigarettes, it could last three months. I’m just extremely lucky. I’ve hung out with a lot of people who are addicts, and they would just do anything. I would spend a bunch of money on this stuff and be like: ‘This is crap. Take it, I don’t want it.’ Also like that meme says, I’m ADHD and I’m obsessive compulsive, so everything has to be perfect, but only for a little while.

That’s great to hear that you’re okay, because we’ve lost a lot of people in alternative rock the last few years.

I know, I know!

It breaks my heart to write about it. Scott Weiland, Dolores O’Riordan, Chris Cornell obviously for different reasons.

Dolores and Chris and- oh my god.

You’re a survivor. That’s why even when people talk about you, even though you haven’t been active in music for the last 18 years, you’re a survivor and that’s awesome, even if you’re not playing music.

The thing is I never let it become my identity. I didn’t identify myself as being a rock star, I’ve always been a musician. I come from two families of musicians, and people who did the arts on both sides going way back. I never thought of myself as an entertainer, that was my biggest fault. What really knocked me down was I didn’t take fame seriously enough. I didn’t take it seriously at all, and I have a very dry sense of humor, so I would say things sarcastically.

These horrible people were spreading around rumors that I was a cokehead before I’d ever even seen cocaine. I never saw real cocaine in my entire life until I was 27. We were in Texas playing with The Rolling Stones, and Marilyn Manson came in with a group of people knocking on my door and said, ‘You mind if we come in here and do this, you want some?’ It was my dressing room, and I was like, ‘No, cool, you guys can come in. You know, I’ve never actually seen cocaine in real life.’ He’s like, ‘Wow, you’re a freak.’ Marilyn, Brian, calling me a freak, I love that guy, and Courtney Love called me neurotic, and Dennis Rodman called me crazy, or did he call me a freak? I don’t remember.

(Laughs) He is the freak, how can he call you a freak?

(Laughs) I guess it takes one to know one.

So going back to 2005, Billy announced that he wanted his band back, and that The Smashing Pumpkins were coming back, but then it just ended up being him and Jimmy. At the time, was there any communication with you and James to come back for the Zeitgeist era?

I can’t remember if I actually saw that, or if somebody brought me the newspaper. I was sitting up in my room and I heard about it, and I think I did actually see it. I was like, well then he should fucking call us, but he never would. From what I’ve been told he went into the studio and the record company was under the impression that it was a Smashing Pumpkins reunion of the original band members, for the recording as well as a tour. It sounds familiar doesn’t it?

I was told by people who work for me and James that the day came when the album was finished, and they were in the conference room with all of the Presidents and VP’s of the record company, and they were like: ‘Where are James and D’arcy?’ (Laughs) Then he got whatever Asian guy to play guitar [Jeff Schroeder], and some girl [Ginger Pooley] to play bass, using my guitar. That really pissed me off. My guitars are very personal to me. I don’t have very many, I’m very picky about what I have, how it sounds, and how it feels.

That really fucking pissed me off a lot, and I didn’t find out about that until recently. He tried to sell my guitar and a bunch of my equipment; he’s got a lot of fucking nerve to do that. I just saw last night that he was selling a lot of vintage Pumpkins stuff. He was supposed to send me all of my stuff, and he didn’t, and I didn’t know that [because of where I lived].

Now let’s fast forward to March 2016, I was there at this Pumpkins show, and James Iha walks out, and he played with Billy, then it was them with Jimmy and Jeff. They hugged, and that’s where talk of a reunion started. James played a few shows, and then Billy said he was back in touch with you a few months later. That’s when the first Blast Echo article came out. What was your reaction to James coming back on stage, and then how did the lines of communication open up with Billy?

My reaction to James being there was I was kind of proud of him in a way. I was kind of curious, I’ve been out of the business for so long I wouldn’t even know how to go about showing up at a show, and I would never feel comfortable doing it because I wouldn’t know if I was welcome or not. I was in a really, really good place at that point. There were a couple of fans, somebody told Billy that I wanted to talk to him, and gave him my phone number. He called me and left me a message. It was kind of like a Parent Trap, we got Parent Trapped. He called me, and I was thinking he wanted to talk to me, and he was thought I wanted to talk to him. It was kind of funny.

Everyone said he changed since he had a kid, and he can be very charming, and fun. He’s fun to talk to; I enjoy mental sparring with him. I just was so out of that world for the longest time, I wasn’t aware of a lot of the crazy stuff, like he supports Trump. What? The shapeshifting thing, I honestly think he may have a brain tumor. He’s always been insufferable.

But you said you enjoyed the mental sparring there for a little while?

Oh yeah, I really enjoyed our friendship. I really, really did, so much, but he’s just the same. If you say one tiny thing from the past. you have to see the texts to understand, but when it comes to money, he’s just disgusting. We almost immediately started talking about a reunion, because he said to me: ‘Well, maybe you know, and maybe you don’t, but with this wrestling thing I kind of got myself a bit into a bit of a hole.’ That was one of the first things he said to me, it was like the second conversation we had, but we didn’t want to do the ‘reunion.’ We both wanted to do the band again, be a band again, not just do a reunion. Billy always said, ‘Oh, I’ll never do just a reunion and play the oldies just for money.’ That’s exactly what it is now.

Now getting back to the 2016, were you talking to Jimmy and James prior to that?

There were no talks, nobody ever approached me. As far as I know, nobody every approached James either, or me. One thing that did happen was I think this was in [the late 2000’s/early 2010’s], I’m not sure which tour it was, Billy was playing in Europe, and he had his people contact ‘our people.’ James and I have the same business manager, that’s the extent of ‘our people,’ at least mine anyways, I can’t speak for James anymore. He won’t return my phone calls or read my texts. I have no idea what Billy has been saying to him.

But anyways, Billy came and asked us if we would mind him using our faces on t-shirts because he wanted to sell more t-shirts because the tour wasn’t doing well. We said, ‘Sure.’ Then he came back to us with, ‘Well, would you mind putting in some money to help make them?’ We were like, ‘No!’ This was all done through his lawyer and our business manager.

He said that to me this time, he texted me like: ‘Well you at least deserve to have your face on a t-shirt.’ He was furious that I told people I wasn’t going to be on the tour, he was absolutely furious. He’s telling me that I’m making a fool of myself telling people that I hadn’t been part of recording, and wasn’t going to be part of a tour that hasn’t been announced. He always threatened to walk away; I’m the only one who ever did.

I forced him to fire me, I didn’t want James to fire me, I didn’t want the situation of they had hired Melissa already just in case. They hired Jack Bates for this tour. I made Billy spell it out, because he was doing his nonsense double talk crap bullshit. Everyone was telling me: ‘Well that doesn’t sound like he doesn’t want you on the tour.’ Nobody could see it, so I finally made him spell it out for me.

What I wanted to ask was you mentioned in the Blast Echo piece that you had contracts and it sounded like you were all going to be members of the band, so what was the impression at that point? Was there ever a meeting between the four of you?

It’s just what I said, I sent Billy a text saying I hope he and his family had great holidays, tell Chloe [Mendel] I said hi, his baby mama. Then it jumps to the day after he released the picture of he, Jimmy, and James. It was like oops, I maybe should have told D’arcy, she’s going to be pissed off.

I put up the Alternative Nation article you commented on posing the idea of having you as a guest on the tour. This was after it came out that you were not going to be on the tour, but I said maybe she could be a guest, because I was trying to think of a way because I didn’t know the circumstances at that point. I was thinking how can we still get the four of them on stage at this point, was Billy trying to propose that as an idea?

That was apparently the plan all along. He had Jack Bates already, it was just unbelievable, really just disgusting. The fucking nerve, and then for him to come back and say, ‘Well, we haven’t seen you in this long, and you haven’t done this, and you couldn’t even make it to this. Everyone has shown up, and you didn’t?’ How could I, I didn’t even know you were there?

Do you think he thought because of your rotator cuff injury you couldn’t be there?

He was hoping.

But is that just your perception that he was hoping, or do you think he actually thought that?

No, I know that. He didn’t know anything about it.

Until after the fact, before they went in there to the studio, he didn’t have any clue about your injury?

Right.

So he didn’t find out until you were talking to him, and they were there without you?

You can see, that’s why he’s like: ‘As far as you not being involved in the recording’ is what he means. ‘There was never any decision to shut you out or make you not welcome.’ He just didn’t bother to tell me about it, because he didn’t want me there.

Why didn’t you guys meet and play together before figuring out a tour or an album? That would make the most sense.

Everybody was doing completely different stuff. James was doing different stuff, Jimmy was doing different stuff. Jimmy didn’t even say yes until not that long ago, Billy was having a lot of trouble getting Jimmy to agree to do it from what I’m told, I never spoke with Jimmy and I never spoke with James. I tried to speak with James one time after Billy called me moping. The whole conversation was him saying, ‘The fans just want you [D’arcy], they don’t want me [Billy]. They don’t want the whole band, it’s just about you [D’arcy].’

He had not planned to do a solo album. He did that crazy tour where he said he was going to do every era of the band, I was like here we go again, Billy going out and trying to get validation from everyone that it’s all about him, because we talked for an hour about how people want the whole band back, it’s not about me, and me trying to build his stupid ego back up again. Then I called James and I said, ‘We have a problem.’

All of us wanted to do the tour, Billy and I wanted to do the band again. James and Jimmy were like, ‘Let’s see what happens, but we don’t want to record a whole album beforehand.’ James didn’t, he was only involved in the one Rick Rubin song. Billy’s got a lot of nerve going out there saying Rick recorded the whole album. He only had a week to record one song.

Technically Billy hasn’t said that Rick is the producer for the whole album, he just mentioned the session, so he hasn’t actually said that. The media is jumping on it though.

He’s doing it the way he normally does, leading people around the nose, knowing that they want to believe what they want to believe. That absolutely didn’t happen. People don’t even believe me, like, if there ever really was an offer?

So you had an offer that at least looked on paper like you’d be a full member of the band?

No, none of us would be a full member. The only thing his manager could get him to agree to was 22% for all of us. I think he was trying to diminish our roles, but still at least the merchandise was going to be 25% for everybody.

What I meant by full member was the primary bass player, with no Jack Bates.

For so many years I had a reoccurring nightmare that I was back with the band and I was going to play bass. We were on tour, and I’m waiting in the wings with my guitar, and all of a sudden the band rest of the band are on, and I’m like wait, what? Nobody told me we were going on yet. All of a sudden I look in my spot and there’s some other person playing bass, and I’m like, what the fuck?

Was it Peter Hook’s son?

No, it was always a girl. (Laughs) I didn’t know anything about who he was, not a lot of people do, and that’s the way Billy likes it. I just read last night about Nicole Fiorentino.

I met her and interviewed her, really nice girl.

Yeah, she said that she was booted by the Pumpkins or whatever, and she started saying she didn’t understand why, because Billy told her the reason was that he didn’t feel like her heart was in it. According to him she was too distracted by her other project, and then she said, ‘I don’t understand, the band was my life. Even when I was doing that, I had the biggest online presence of any member of the band. I connected with the fans really well.’ I’m thinking to myself, I’m going to have to talk to that girl; she just answered her own question. Listen sister, you can’t upstage Billy, he will not have it.

The communication thing is what keeps getting to me, that all of this was being done via text. Like were there conference calls with the four of you?

I tried to reach James.

But I’m talking months back, before January. So you tried to reach James and Jimmy?

This was months back. I don’t have Jimmy’s number, and Jimmy and I have never really been hangout buddies.

I still don’t understand, why didn’t Billy, you, or somebody say if we’re going to do this reunion, say maybe we should all four talk together? Talk on the phone at least, or meet together, why was that idea never posed? It seems that having text message conversations about this muddied up a lot of water.

Well no, it really didn’t. I would have really loved to. At one point Billy said that Jimmy was going to come over to his house and write some stuff. I always said, ‘I’d really love to do that too.’ He would never invite me, but he told me that it didn’t happen. He said that I was invited to do all of this stuff, and that I said later, later, later. There was only one thing that was later, later, later, that I had invited him to come out to my farm. He never invited me to his house ever to meet his girlfriend or his son, nothing.

You mentioned that Jimmy and James didn’t seem too into doing an album, then why do you think Jimmy was there the whole month of January in LA?

Like I told [Blast Echo], you need to put that I didn’t say that, that’s just what I was told. I don’t know what he told them. I texted James and told him that Billy said that you guys said all this stuff, you guys have all these opinions, you guys made all these decisions together. He’s always done that.

So it progressed to the point where there were contracts, so did Billy offer you to be a guest at that point?

I made him spell it out, because he didn’t want to. I was like, ‘Sorry I’m not going to be involved in the tour. I’m not interested in hanging from the ceiling in a carrot suit.’ He said, ‘Oh, that sounds pretty funny and cool!’ Yeah, no, I don’t think so.

So he offered you to be a guest with Jack Bates as the primary bassist?

He even used the same example you used [in your article].

Steven Adler?

Exactly.

I brought that up because at that point after it came out you were out, it seemed like the only option. But do you think that was his plan all along, or he got cold feet?

I know he got cold feet, he got really cold feet. He got insecure. Everyone was told it was going to be something, and everybody was pushing for the same thing, including his manager, and nobody believed me when I said there’s not an offer. Everybody kept telling me just go out to the studio, and I said I’m not wanted in the studio.

This whole thing bums me out. I know there’s all these crazy headlines, but I really wanted to see you guys all together, or at least on good terms. It was nice even the years where the reunion hadn’t happened yet; to hear you guys were all getting along.

It has been awesome, and it would have been awesome. Almost nobody ever has that, if you’ve seen The Princess Bride where they talk about one couple in ten lifetimes doesn’t get the shot at true love. Almost nobody ever finds people, that when we would jam, and we would click, it was just magic. The feeling was just amazing, that’s a better drug than anything. Music has always been a drug for me. I’ve done a lot in my life, and beyond excelled at everything I’ve ever done, and I’m like, I’m done with it when it comes to a lot of things. But music is the only thing that I’ve ever stuck with. Billy just killed it for me for such a long time, I couldn’t listen to the radio, watch TV, go to movies. I was so burned out and traumatized, and I hated myself for giving into him. I know now that I really did the best that I could, and better than anybody else could do.

Like I said as a fan, we still want to see you guys work this out.

I would love to, but Billy will never do it. Not in this lifetime.

You can’t say not in this lifetime! Guns N’ Roses, that was the name of their tour.

Yeah, but it really wasn’t, was it?

Yeah, no Izzy and Steven.

There you go. He’s not going to forgive me. He wanted me to do what he wanted me to do, and he’s furious at me for telling the truth. He calls it ‘your’ truth: ‘You should have told people within the context of the band.’ What the fuck does that mean? I know what it means, toe the party line. ‘We have to be on the same page.’ Just fucking come out and say it, you don’t want me to tell people that I’m not going to be the bass player.

It still boggles my mind, trying to understand different perspectives, if Billy had doubts, why not play together first and then see? Like why have an expectation on your ability to play bass without playing with you first? If you have reservations, get in a room.

I’m in better shape than any of them. My Mom was a health nut, and she taught us about eating healthy. I eat totally clean, I live and work on a farm. I had messed my shoulder up, because I pushed myself too hard. I’m maybe a hair shorter than James, and I’ve done just about every sport. We’re all very athletic in my family, I’m Russian and Danish. I was gymnist, and I still like to work out. I like to do martial arts, I like to train horses, I like to build fences, I like to build stuff. I’m a very active person, I’ve also been really strong. I was a grotesquely skinny little kid, but super strong, weirdly. But I’m way healthier than any of them.

How much have you been playing bass in all of these years, and do you have any plans to release music in the future?

Whenever I think about releasing music, I just feel like, what’s the point?

I know a lot of fans would care, just to see one song, a lot of fans would love to hear it and see you again.

For a long time I didn’t do it because I knew Billy would take credit for it. If it’s good, he’ll take credit for it, and if it’s not he’ll be like, ‘That’s why we fired her from the band, she sucks.’

It took me a long time to not care, and not hate him. Now I don’t hate him, I’m back to where I was at the beginning. I laugh at his antics, and I’m going to go about my own life, but I don’t feel sorry for him. I do think he needs to get an MRI though.

It bums me out that you guys can’t get on good terms, even if you’re not playing together all the time, but there’s only so many bands left from your generation where all of the members are still alive. Chris Cornell is gone, Soundgarden doesn’t exist anymore, Scott Weiland is gone, the original STP doesn’t exist anymore. I hope it’s not too late.

With every argument, Billy would answer me, but I felt like he wasn’t bothering to read my texts. There’s nothing that you could say that I didn’t try, because I really, really, really care, and I really wanted to do this way more than they did. I really wanted to do it, and I thought we could do it right this time, but Billy just can’t do it,

I thought he wasn’t reading my texts, then he said, ‘Blah blah blah, I wish you well.’ I was like, ‘You don’t wish me well, you don’t love me, you don’t love anybody, you don’t care about anybody.’ Then he’s like, ‘Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!’ I’m like there he is! There is the real Billy Corgan, I finally got through to you! He’s a like a dog with a bone, you just can’t get through to him.

  • Philip V

    This does Corgan in unfortunately. I love the music, but the respect has turned to air.

  • Aragon131

    I’ve always hated seeing Corgan play live. It’s like watching someone masturbate right in front of you but they are using your hand.

    • Mike

      Nah he was great back in the day

    • AnaTheHorrible

      lol

    • Corgan Cobain

      LOL
      You’re right on his egotrip masturbating performance.

    • FUQ LIBS

      Damn.

    • Fey Wutt

      That is EXACTLY what i always said!

      • Aragon131

        Recording with him must have been a nightmare.

      • Aragon131

        D’arcy you have to write a book. YOU HAVE YOU

        • Dallas Drake

          Why? It’d be a losing money proposition.

          • Tilman Müller

            Don’t worry for D’arcy, old drake. It could be a crowd funding project.

          • Aragon131

            I’m a writer and I know it would sell. Interest in 90’s nostalgia is high and people love rock n roll tales and a female voice from that era would be welcomed.

    • John Scott

      I never understood why Billy intentionally butchered the vocals on some of their biggest hits. His vocals on the live versions of Ava Adore and BWBW are just awful most of the time. I think it’s funny that he’s promising to sing better on this tour.

  • Austin Mitchell

    I believe every word of it. Just look at some of Billy’s smarmy ass instagram posts directed to fans. I feel like the guy is totally out of touch with the people who were there validating his music to begin with. But you know what? Billy: Regardless, If you come out with new music and it’s GOOD, I’m on board as a fan no matter what. Really, no matter who is in the band. But if it sucks and sounds like it comes from the place of “Whats going on in the music business now? How can I be with the times and be a mainstream player and sell tons of records?” with no soul like everything since 2008, I couldn’t care less. People love Gish-Machina not for nostalgic reasons or because it “represents a certain time in their lives”, but because the songs were GREAT. I’m eager to hear what new music might be coming. But if it’s not up to par, there are plenty of other underground, indie, and DIY artists who need the time and energy

    • Mike

      Yeah people have really lost the passion for making music. It’s the same story with every band that was around back then, their old stuff was better. I feel like to even possibly make something inspired you have to tune into the energy from back then & listen to that era of music and not even pay attention to most of what’s out currently in music now. Also digital recording killed a lot of the energy IMO because sonically the sound just isn’t the same as analog.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      But THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when you make a human rich and famous:

      with everyone fawning all over them each day, they become DICTATOR NUTCASES.

      (Thank goodness for the internet and haters. NOW, the rich nd famous get slammed like everyone else!)

      WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT POWER CORRUPTS, so the question is, WHAT IS SOCIETY DOING TO STOP THIS BROKEN RECORD OF EGOTISTICL IDIOTS WITH POWER?

      Step One: MAXIMUM WAGE. ($400<?)

      THIS one reform fixes most problems in society, by making us all more equal.

      • Christopher

        Jesus Christ, you accuse other people of being nutcases?

      • FUQ LIBS

        Put the meth pipe down dude.

  • For those who don’t believe her, remember David Pajo talking about the “bully mentality” and Billy’s ego in Zwan times. Really sad there will never be a reunion, and even more that they are in such terms of relationship. But maybe it’s better this way.

    • Stone Gossardish

      There’s a diff between a bully and one that wants to be a bully. Not sure Bill’s been too successful as a bully. Been a lot more spinning tires & bitter smoke from it all in the last 20 years.

    • Colin

      Well Pajo’s a piece of shit himself. I’m not excusing Billy at all, but Pajo fucking the producers wife while making the album didn’t help.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      Funny no one ever asked Paz Lanchantin (spelling) what she fought. Billy seems your typical sexist asshole who can’t stand women standing up to him.

      • Christof Sieksbi

        POWER CORRUPTS even good people.

        If we put ANYONE in Billy’s shoes, they’d likely be corrupted by the money, fame, power, money fame power.

        Billy’s actions were a cliche 3,000 years ago.

        (Same shit everyone from Caligula to Axl Rose did.)

    • Christof Sieksbi

      it’s like with police brutality:

      WE KNEW COPS WERE CRIMINALS… BEFORE THE INVENTION OF COPS!

      (DUH: POWER CORRUPTS.)

      We KNEW Billy was to blame, BEFORE hearing any sides: power corrupts, and the “leader” of the band, ALWAYS treats the other members worse.

    • Dallas Drake

      Yeah cuz Pajo boned the producers wife. What a piece of shit.

      • Tilman Müller

        Wasn’t his wife, but his friend. Until she met Pajo. What a great lover.

  • slowdive

    I believe it, I’ve been a fan of SP since the early ’90s and everything she is saying lines up. This explains so much, and also explains a lot of the Zwan breakup. The bottom line is, Billy is a mental case. From a fan perspective, we kinda looked past his antics when the band was good, but Billy hasn’t written a good song in many years. After this, I’m done. I won’t buy tickets to the “Bail Billy out of Wrestling Debt Cash Grab Tour”. Billy – RETIRE.

    • Aragon131

      When Billy fired Nicole Fiorentino she was floored saying she didn’t understand. It makes sense now.

      • Fey Wutt

        he felt upstaged by her.

        • Aragon131

          I hope he never feels upstaged by his son. BC knows he can’t fire him right?

        • Dallas Drake

          OMG really?

          • Aragon131

            sit down Dallas she knows more than you.

          • johnniealpha

            Conspiracy-theory type comments. Billy’s history in band relationships is interesting, to say the least, but it’s pretty bizarre to claim he felt upstaged by Nicole’s side-project. More likely he felt she wasn’t 100% committed to the SP project, such as it was. I mean did he feel upstaged by Jeff doing a Master’s degree?

          • Aragon131

            Doing a master degree isn’t something you do on stage. Nicole is younger and prettier than him. Fans were connecting with her and she was devoted to the band. BC has a notoriously fragile ego.

          • johnniealpha

            True re: Jeff’s degree. However can’t agree otherwise. She was an upgrade on Ginger, seemed a nice person and started contributing on Oceania. I don’t believe many fans are/were that invested in the “new” members though, even Jeff. Maybe those few who became fans from SP v2.0 onward, but I’d imagine that would constitute ~ 10% of current fans? Billy’s always had this work-ethic and idea of commitment to the band. Looking at his entire history it’s vastly more likely he figured she wasn’t fully focused on the Pumpkins. Saying she’s younger and prettier than him – that makes no sense, I mean, if that was an issue he wouldn’t have hired replacement players that were younger than him in the first place. He has faults for sure but I don’t think he’s vain, in a physical sense.

          • Tilman Müller

            OMG! If you’re so fat on stage that your belly hangs out…

          • Fey Wutt

            Yup.

          • Aragon131

            We all hope you are doing well Fey Wutt and we are anxous to see what you do next! and please write that book! I wrote for The Hollywood Reporter for years. I could write it for you if you need

          • Sara Bea Delgado

            I just read an interview in which Billy does not accept you anymore,
            do not worry, the fans are not stupid and for my part he will not receive any money.
            I think they have treated you very badly and also that james and jimmy should
            have defended you, so I understand they have laughed at billy all their lives, i dont understand them.
            you do not need them, you have our love

    • Gorgon_Hilldusa

      how does everything she says line up? how about when she says her and billy were never friends and that their relationship was never even cordial, then later in the same interview she says she loved being friends with billy and how he could be cool to talk with. wtf. you have to be retarded to not see that she’s changing her own story in her attempt to craft a narrative. or how about how she claims she actually played bass in ‘a lot’ of the sp recordings but when pressed about it two times, to give examples, she completely dodged the question. she couldn’t even give one examples of a well loved track that she definitely played bass on?

      don’t get me wrong, i think billy is a total ass. he comes off as an idiot and a child and i don’t doubt that a lot of darcy’s characterization of him is true. but darcy is coming off as pretty dishonest. billy claims he invited her to come out to multiple things and she didn’t show up. maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. but in those texts, what he says makes perfect sense. do you in a million years think it would make any sense to have someone you haven’t even seen play in 20yrs just jump in and join you for a big arena tour? that’s insane.

      MAYBE, just maybe, could it be possible that darcy herself was afraid of being up to the challenge and she sabotaged it herself? not showing up to anything billy invited her to, just to give him a reason to let her go? so she wouldn’t have to find out if she really can do it. and if that is how it happened, it would be really s$$tty of her to then turn around and place blame on them. who knows. but this interview looks like the ramblings of a lunatic in some spots, and is contradictory in others.

      • SquidDay

        I totally agree with you on stuff not lining up. My issue: She clearly has an agenda, considering half the time she doesn’t even answer the question, losing track in her ramblings on Billy. Yes, Billy is an ass. Yes, he’s pretty nutty. But this is such a smear piece on her part that it’s hard to take her all tat seriously imo. I think it’s difficult to maintain credibility when literally every answer to every question is about why you hate Billy Corgan.

        A controversial topic, without a doubt. I think I fall in the middle. I take them both with a large dose of salt. No offense intended to anyone, just my thoughts.

        Cheers, all, and thanks for the interesting discourse.

  • Stiv Bators Ghost

    Sorry. She does herself no favors with this interview. Billy may be King Douchebag but D’Arcy is Queen Nutcase.

    • Greg Cook

      Bingo.

    • Corgan Cobain

      Darcy is childish and feels and anything hurts her. No action. Just remorse around the SP.
      Why does not she dedicate herself as a musician to other things? Bands? Feats?
      She has not done anything down since 1999.

      • Corgan Cobain

        Billy is an lost egolatra on his egotrip.
        Poisoning himself for ever and ever.
        Sharing disease to other musicians and fans.

        • ClobberDobson

          Bullshit. D’arcy is just as fucked.

          • Christof Sieksbi

            “there are two sides to every story… and both of them are wrong” – Confuscius

        • Fey Wutt

          are you even for real?
          Or is this one of those things like that so and so poops at parties?

      • Kevin

        Farm? Raising horses? She’s done stuff, just not in the musical limelight. There is life after show biz.

        • Kat Bjelland (Unofficial)

          There’s music life beyond showbiz.
          Isn’t there where they begun all the journey in 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990?

          • Fey Wutt

            noooo.

            But i am REALLY confused as to what you’re trying to communicate on this post of yours.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        I take you’re not a musician yourself? She’s a classically trained musician as I am. I’ve working on another field for 20 years and still can play guitar, piano and violin in a heartbeat if anyone asks me to. This stupid excuse she can’t handle touring because she hasn’t played (who said she can’t?) in 18 years is bullshit. Then again, Billy is a control freak and an asshole so why is anyone surprised?

        • Kat Bjelland (Unofficial)

          Gabriel here is not the Papel Pop to take everything to the side of feminism with imbeciles words of “misogyny” or “gender”.
          Darcy is not “queen, isn’t it, lovers?”, “dancing samba in enemy’s face”, “getting diva”. C’mon! Darcy is not Lady Gaga. Dont be like lil monsters defending a pussy only because this human being has a pussy. She must have propuses to get into de tour, band, music industry like she did in 80’s, 90’s. .
          I think your mindset about what is a classical musician who does not have discipline or study is not very sophisticated. It shows that you do not respect classical or popular music as you think you are part in it.
          Don’t be a Music Punisher only to make pussy drama get results by the drama.

      • Fey Wutt

        I’ve done a HELL of a lot since 1999!!!!

        why does not you dedicate yourself to learning English?

        Feats of WHAT???
        Strength?
        dare devil stunts?

        you make no sence here
        and you just come off as a groupie to me.

        (please someone tell her what that is)

        • Tilman Müller

          “Unofficial” sounds so dirty… Norwegian woody.

      • John Scott

        So being in one of the best bands of the decade isn’t enough, Kat? Does she have to stay in the public eye forever to live up to your expectations?

      • SteveWilmos

        Childish is bitching that Eddie Vedder got more attention at the Cubs world series than Corgan. And a warehouse worth of other anecdotes along those lines.

    • Albert Maier

      Every king needs his queen. 😉

      • Fey Wutt

        Eeeeeeewe!!!!
        😖
        YUCK!!!!

    • Christof Sieksbi

      artists and musicians are generally nutcases.

      THAT’S WHAT MADE THEM go down that path rather than Normal 9 to 5.

      • Fey Wutt

        do you know what the definition of normal is ?

        Unexceptional.

        • Tilman Müller

          A boring definition.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      i don’t care for any of them, but D’Arcy comes off as mostly reasonable herein.

      You sound like another of those repugnicans:

      you JUDGE OTHERS without all the facts… yet HATE when others do this to YOU.

      • Stiv Bators Ghost

        What the fuck meds are you on?

      • FUQ LIBS

        Another butthurt moron roars.

    • Fey Wutt

      No. Just really adhd and not super great with interviews.

      • Dallas Drake

        Nice try

        • Tilman Müller

          Better than yours

      • SlipperyJim

        As an old skool pumpkins fan I’d like to say thanks for doing the interview it’s better than silence and slipping through the cracks! Whenever I think of great bass tone I think of your rumbling P Bass 🙂

    • Paudi O Cuan

      Cause you know her so well. She is entitled to give her side I think what she is saying is the truth

    • John Scott

      What, because she doesn’t come off the way you want her to when she’s writing commenting? Everyone needs to lighten up and stop judging. D’arcy is a person. People need to remember that.

      • Stiv Bators Ghost

        Uh yeah, writing commenting. Good job there Lojack.

        • John Scott

          Let’s see, I can’t think of an intelligent rebuttal, so I’ll mock his grammar. Nice.

  • Rizz

    For the record, this is why i never liked corgan. What a JO.

  • Stone Gossardish

    We do want to see a real SP reunion. I’m not going to buy a ticket for a small club tour, a Groupon Shed Tour, or anything else unless it’s the actual Smashing Pumpkins.

    It’s too bad to see the “new Billy” is still the same ole Bitter Bore-Again that we all knew for so long. So many have long stories about how big of a pill he was 20 years ago or so. She suggests that guy is still in there.

    Again, if this is all a faux wrestling row, they’ve both got me hook, line, & sinker. Otherwise, it’s kinda sad and it’s too bad Bill couldn’t listen to the new U2 song “Get Out of Your Own Way,” even if just for the title.

  • D675PDX

    Wow, what a nut-job. D’arcy really needs to do herself a favor and just stop with these interviews, social media posts, etc. She’s not doing herself any favors and is just coming across as bat-shit crazy. She contradicts herself throughout; says she was never friends with Billy then later says she cherished their friendship…she says she’s never been addicted to anything then literally the next sentence she was in rehab. She gives crazy off-the-wall answers about martial arts and gymnastics when the question was about playing bass, or goes on a crazy tangent and literally can’t remember what the question that was asked. For your own sake D’arcy…stop.

    • Alternative Nation

      The martial arts answer was a very real answer to my question, it was basically about people questioning if she’d be ready to play/for a tour. She said she’s a very good shape, meaning it’d be no problem.

      While I can’t read D’arcy’s mind, she could have been saying that for the first time they were actually forming a friendship in the last couple of years unlike back in the 90’s.

      • Corgan Cobain

        “Good shape” is different from good bass skills.
        “Good shape” is different from able to play professionally
        It was an elusive!

        • fede4488

          Billy questioned her health in the texts! that’s why she brought it up

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          You saying a classically trained musician can’t play those stupid easy songs SP has? Are you for real? I haven’t played professionally in 15 years. Like D’arcy I was classically trained in music. A week ago I was drunk at a bar and played Mozart (a very hard piece) in the piano after almost 10 years without touching a piano. You must be completely clueless on what being trained in music really means if you think she can’t play some basic songs like the ones SP has. Any real musician can play their songs.

          • Christopher

            You. Have no idea. How classically trained. D’arcy Wretzky was.

      • fishbonex

        Can’t read her mind, but we can read her words. She literally says that they were never friends, right at the start off the interview. Then later talks about their friendship. Billy may be a PitA, but she is nuts.

      • Fey Wutt

        Thank you!

        … well, that’s what THOUGHT.

        i was wrong tho

    • Mike

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the real reason why they didn’t want to have her is b/c they’re concerned about her substance addiction issues. Even if she’s clean now they might be thinking how do we know that she won’t relapse again. I want to believe she’s over it but to say “I’ve always been a health nut” when you used to do crack & hard drugs is kind of ridiculous.

      • Corndog

        It was free range crack.

      • Kevin

        Yeah, but Jimmy ODs on coke, gets their keyboardist killed and ‘all is well’.

        Kinda a double standard. But then, Corgan doesn’t seem concerned about making sense.

        • fishbonex

          Jimmy doesn’t currently sound like somebody who is either nuts or on drugs, though.

          • Kevin

            D’Arcy sounds a bit flighty, but realistically, it doesn’t change the substance of what she said and what we’ve all known about Billy for decades. He’s a raging egomaniac. The difference is that most of us aren’t edgy teenagers who ooh and ahh over such crap anymore.

        • johnniealpha

          It was heroin btw. Jimmy didn’t force Melvoin to take drugs. He was a grown man and made his own choices. It easily could have ended up with him surviving and Jimmy dying. You may have noticed that they fired him, at the peak of their popularity and he didn’t return for 3 years. He’s been clean for ages. D’arcy was using drugs throughout her time in the band. She was never fired, she flaked out and quit in 1999. I believe even James said it was probably best for her not to be in the band at that point, on a personal level. Major difference between Jimmy and D’arcy is that JC was a world-class drummer who took care of his end in the studio. D’arcy never gave off that professional vibe – you’ve seen the Adore documentary, right? It may have been slightly tongue-in-cheek but in that she moaned about the time taken to record the album and that they had to tour it at all. If you’re Billy and you’re getting people together to record a new album and plan a tour and she’s saying one thing, doing another, making excuses etc then what would you be thinking, in terms of how reliable she was gonna be?

        • Fey Wutt

          Billy even told me himself (on the phone- TALKING) that when they’ve toured together
          (he and Jimmy) since I left he was always the same old Jimmy: meaning drinking drugging womanizing

          Billy didn’t care.

          I don’t use drugs anymore.

          • Dallas Drake

            Have you seen Jimmy? Dudes clean

          • Tilman Müller

            YEAH, Jimmy was clean the last three years with the Pumpkins!

      • Fey Wutt

        i didn’t do crack.

    • Dallas Drake

      yeah she’s wacko

      • Tilman Müller

        Better than a blown out bird

        • SteveWilmos

          He does kinda sound like Big Bird without Butch Vig

          • Tilman Müller

            My tribute was on “Drake”.

    • Corgan Cobain

      Exactly! You’re genious.

      For me: she can’t play anymore since 1999.
      Where is the musician who can not work? Make some projects? Get a job with another band? Contribute to other artists?

      She is confused and reclusive.
      Billy is lost in the egolatra rockstar egotrip. And she lost too, but in her introspective mind.
      Billy is an asshole and mug to everyone around.
      Darcy is more melancholy and attacks herself in an infinite depression, rancor, resentment. In this she speaks the truth: she charges herself a lot. It’s the opposite of Billy who does not charges himself in everything but charges everyone in anything as possible.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        You seem clueless about what being a musician really is. She didn’t forget how to play bass, are you stupid? She is classically trained, she could stay decades without playing anything and she still can play some basic songs like the ones the Pumpkins have.

        • BullHead

          Dude, we got it that she’s classically trained. For how much more times do we need you to point it out under every goddamn motherfucking comment?

          • FUQ LIBS

            I’m thinking the goof will repeat it another 130 times.

        • Christopher

          I think we’re up to 80 “classically trained” references. You’re neck and neck with the “POWER CORRUPTS” guy for the tonedeaf broken record award in here.

          • FUQ LIBS

            No shit. Someone hit the jukebox.

          • Dallas Drake

            Dudes a classically trained tool

          • Tilman Müller

            Says the classical trained drake…

        • Fey Wutt

          Oh man! i appreciate the support, but some people just won’t listen to or can’t understand REASON.

          And why do they think they know any of us and what we do or don’t do on a daily basis? have they been following us around for years with cameras ?

          It’s like trying to argue with a tree or a crazy person. it can not be done.

          I’m exhausted and i’m mostly just reading this nonsense.

    • Paudi O Cuan

      Same could he said about Jimmy Chamberlin yet he is still in the band

  • Gern Blanston 🖕

    This is depressing. BIlly has pretty much ruined the brand name with the shitty records he’s released as SP. Why does he think anyone would give a shit about a reunion tour without the original members? He’s been doing that for years and attendance has been abysmal. Doesn’t even sound like James was involved much in the new album. Corgan is the reason the majority of fans abandoned this band. He has never acknowledged the magic of the original lineup. He thinks he can do it by himself, yet he obviously can’t. Oceania was fucking terrible.

    • Jamie Kunz

      I really rated Oceania! Couldn’t stand Zeitgeist or Monuments. Difference for me was that the Oceania line up felt like a proper band. Saw them perform twice, 2011 and 2013. First time wasn’t exactly great. But second they really worked. When emphasis was more on the new stuff.

      Admittedly, it might have been best if they’d gone under a different name. But either way – I’ll stick up for Oceania. No idea why Billy binned Mike and Nicole.

      • ClobberDobson

        They should have been the Billy Corgan Blues Band.

    • Corgan Cobain

      “Corgan is the reason the majority of fans abandoned this band” = it’s true!
      “Oceania was fucking terrible” = it’s true!

      Billy has already become one of the most detestable people in rock only with his comments in interviews during 2002-2014. Only now after being a father does he feel like a softer heart. You can realize that Billy is frustrated by the Zeitgeist-Oceania-Monuments results. But when he needs, he can’t let the others return. He continues with the same boss thinking mechanisms. He doesn’t admit it but he is not the band center alone.
      On the other hand, Darcy seems to me very hurt by everything and also she is not playing bass very well, in a professional way to make and earn money. She as a guest makes sense. But she as full-time bassist … don’t! She still has not proven she cans. It needs more than a interview for it. As a musician, she is the only one who has not produced anything since 1999. It contradicts herself. And we know that showbiz is money. She has to give guarantees.

      Solution:

      Billy Corgan = swallowing vanity and ego admitting that fans hate him

      Darcy = admits that she has to prove that she is still a musician and that she can play bass in a professional ways for months on tour

      • Corndog

        How do you know that she isn’t playing bass well if no one has saw her play bass since 1999?

        • Kat Bjelland (Unofficial)

          She doesn’t prove for anyone that she can.
          Do you believe in her skills based in a interview?
          Do you believe in her professional bass performance based in runaway from de band face-to-face or demo-sessions?
          Sorry, but drama doesn’t play bass.
          Discipline and musician do!

          It all worths money. No one will sign a contract using an interview or a drama to garantee.
          Money, man! This reunion is money.
          Darcy can makes money in a profissional way?
          Aswer me, Corndog, how she can?

          • Corndog

            I don’t believe anything either way. You just seemed like you knew something, so i was curious how you knew that she couldn’t play bass given that we’ve been told that no one has seen her do so for 18 years. I’m not saying that she can, i don’t know either way, i just wanted to know how it was you knew she couldn’t. Thought maybe you had some inside info or something but you’re just assuming. I think that if this is the issue then she should at least be given the chance to fail. She was a bassist for a long time. I’m sure she could pick it up again even if she is out of practice. Lots of people can be really messed up and still play a show. Just look at that dude from Puddle of Mudd. Wait….

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            What’s to prove? She has a degree in music. Anyone with a classical training in music can play simple songs like the Pumpkins songs. Hell I can play Mozart (the one egomaniac Billy was validating) and he made actually challenging songs to be played. You just don’t forget how to play an instrument like that. Trust me.

          • Christopher

            Where the heck are you getting that D’arcy has a degree in music. Wikipedia and Google show nothing of the sort.

          • monjenl

            I have a minor degree in music but haven’t played regularly in almost 20 yrs. Sure I can pick up my instrument and still sound good. For like 20 minutes maybe before my chops get tired. And your fingers just won’t move like they used to. No way is she up to the rigors of an international tour and Billy knew it when she didn’t show up to play when he invited her. Plus the shoulder thing. No way would it have been wise to hire her as the main bassist.

        • Gorgon_Hilldusa

          ok but see, the problem is that it’s up to HER to PROVE that she CAN. she doesn’t just get to jump into a big budget arena tour without proving she can even still play. anyone that thinks billy is bad for not wanting to go along with that is just crazy. and honestly, i don’t think SHE ever had any intention of doing it. she was just leading everyone on. if she really wanted to do it she should have been a bit more aggressive. she should have ASKED to be invited out, assuming she wasn’t actually invited, as billy claims. and i’m not sure i even believe her that she wasn’t. i think she was and just didn’t go because she’s afraid that she’s not up to it.

      • Dude you could show a 12 year old how to play Pumpkins songs on bass. She can play just fine.

        • Aragon131

          LOL so true!

        • ClobberDobson

          There’s a lot more going on there than you think. Though the harder bass lines were probably played by Billy.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        So you’re saying a classically trained musician can’t play bass in a band that albeit very cool has very basic songs? I was classically trained like D’arcy. I’ve been working in a different field for 15 years. I can pick up a piano and a guitar and play anything, even Mozart right now after almost 10 years without studying it. As a matter of fact I did this just the other day, drunk in a bar. You can’t be that clueless.

        • Christopher

          How do you know she wasn’t “classically trained” for a month? A year? Three years? And she admitted she hasn’t done much music in 20 years…what if she forgot whatever training she had? You’re using “I heard she was classically trained!” as the panacea to forgive all of her non-musical accomplishments the last 25 years, and worse, to denigrate the guy who keeps professionally composing music, music that inspired a pretty big fan base.

          • Fey Wutt

            I started playing violin when i was FIVE.

            I stopped at 14 when i picked up a bass.

            I’ve been singing and reading and writing music since i could talk.

          • Tilman Müller

            Started with songs about Teddy Bears? 😀

          • Tilman Müller

            D’arcy left in September 1999, that’s 18 1/2 years ago. Corgan and his Smashing Pumpkins have lost their big fan base since then. Corgan’s last album Ogilala was just one week in the Billboard 200, at 183…

        • FUQ LIBS

          And my internet penis is ten feet long.

        • Fey Wutt

          THANK YOU!

          OmG!!!

          She is SO FAR OFF
          (when i can understand what she’s trying to say)

        • SlipperyJim

          I wouldn’t call the drums and guitar in SP “basic”

    • Corndog

      Oceania was indeed fucking terrible, as was Momuments, but i quite liked Zeitgeist personally.

      • slickpoetry

        Zeitgeist is the only thing the reformed pumpkins have done that has lasting value for me. It does taper off in quality here or there, but overall is still something I want to listen to.

        Oceania, Monuments, or Teargarden? No way.

        • Corndog

          I agree completely.

        • ClobberDobson

          Because it was one half of the Pumpkins. If the other half would have been there, it would have been an even greater album.

      • johnniealpha

        Monuments had a few good songs but was disappointing generally, Oceania was a much better album, despite Mike’s uninteresting drumming. Far below SP1 calibre or sure. To call it terrible and to say Zeitgeist was in any way good, I find a head-shaker. Now, the Zeitgeist material had potential, the songs are generally pretty good but how anyone can say it wasn’t gutted in the studio I can’t fathom. The mixing was awful with Billy’d vocals far too high, the “oooh, aaahs” from him ruin almost every track, even the shitty Brian May type guitar solos on BTL etc. The overly orchestrated over-the-top God and Country, a decent number when played acoustically. Ugh. Teargarden was junk. By comparison Oceania sounded like a cohesive, well-mixed and produced album, just not by one that sounded a great deal like the Pumpkins.

        • Corndog

          To each their own i guess. I’d take Zeitgeist over Oceania or Monuments any day of the week. At least it sounds interesting and engaging and not like the elevator music of those other two albums.

        • Dallas Drake

          Number one reason Monuments sucked was the lyrics. How many times can you say lover?

      • Fernando

        It’s all matter of opinion. Personally, I believe Zeitgeist failed in producing vocals so over the top and not including Ma Belle and Stellar as a-sides; Oceania was let down by the drums (still better than gish and Machina IMHHHO) and Monuments failed because it was… not good.

        • Corndog

          Of course. As with appreciation of any art it’s all subjective.

      • Dallas Drake

        You’re crazy. Oceania was awesome. I’ll give you Monuments was bad

        • Corndog

          I’m crazy now too?

          I don’t like Oceania. It sounded like elevator music to me. I tried to listen to it again just last week and i had to turn it off. It’s awful IMO. Monuments is also awful.

  • Mike Lidstone

    So D’arcy isn’t involved because Billy felt she wasn’t committed. D’arcy says she wasn’t committed because there was no official offer and they didn’t tell her about or invite her to the recording they were doing. She also seemed angry that they didn’t think she could handle a major stadium tour and would likely only be involved for part of the show unless she could show otherwise. There still seems to be some missing information there. But I know in recent years when band members haven’t had the same enthusiasm or they want to take time off and go do other things, Billy gets nervous and cuts them lose. And especially with D’arcy from being out of music for so long and having drug problems and mental health issues in the past, I think Billy was looking for more assurance that she could do it then she was providing him. So, it sounds like he was just looking for more enthusiasm from D’arcy but she seems to say the whole thing was a miscommunication. I grew up with drug addicts so I don’t buy a lot of her bullshit, and she seems oddly vindictive towards someone gave her everything she has, and then was shit on by her when she dumped the band for Hollywood.

    • Aragon131

      stadium tour? I doubt an SP reunuion tour could fill medium sized venue but DEFINITELY NOT stadiums!

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      Are you for real? Where in this interview she somes off as mentally ill? Billy is the one saying he believes in shapeshifting reptilians, are you for real?

    • Timber56

      “towards someone gave her everything she has”
      Nice, dude.

      • Mike Lidstone

        Without Billy, she was working at a coffee shop. You’re welcome D’arcy.

  • Gern Blanston 🖕

    I remember seeing SP on a lollapalooza. Corgan did this godawful twenty minute off key caterwauling improv. Half the audience left, the other half threw bottles at the stage. I felt so sorry for d’arcy. She was trying to amuse the crowd (silly dances etc) people weren’t having it. Billy was exceptional at turning his fans against him. Looks like he still is..

  • Adw

    I really want to live in a world where D’arcy puts out an album on her own and just kicks Billy’s ass. A MBV-like record with D’arcy singing would mean so much to people like me who were fans of the early Pumpkins sound but can’t stand Corgan or his new music.

    • Gern Blanston 🖕

      That would be awesome. ❤️

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    • Aragon131

      yes yes yes!

    • Yeah, I think she should do that. She thinks there’s no point to doing that, but there actually is a point – it would be cool and people who don’t think D’arcy is a real musician would shut the hell up. D’arcy – just make it yourself and promote it through a website or something. I’d buy it. I think just making one album that has nothing to do with the Pumpkins would actually be pretty great and then people would be like, hey, this is cool. Like forget about the fact that the music industry has completely fallen apart in a lot of ways. The whole point in making a record to begin with it’s for its own sake. Who cares how many copies sell? At this point, it really doesn’t matter.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        I think anyone with a brain knows she’s the only really classically trained musician. There’s a bit o of sexism on her being a chick (just read the comments section) and the fact she was the only one to stand up to Billy’s bullshit.

        • Mike Lidstone

          lol what?

        • Aragon131

          that’s true. D’arcy doesn’t just play guitar she also plays violin and oboe. It must have killed corgan to not use the resources for fear she’d get credit.

        • johnniealpha

          There is absolutely zero chance of her recording an album. She’s never written a song outside of the old demo “Daughter” from 1988. The band member that wrote a song, sang it. Hence James’ songs, he sings. She sings lead on “Daydream”, which was entirely Corgan’s choice. She didn’t write it though; in fact there’s a demo with Billy performing the vocals. For her to say she hasn’t made any music because Billy would somehow take credit for it is garbled logic.Come on man, she was never more than an average bassist. She had zero character to her playing, which is why it’s pretty much impossible to tell if her or Billy played bass on any particular song. I can’t actually think of one memorable bassline in any Pumpkins track. Classically trained or not she was easily the least influential musician. Corgan wrote 90+% of the non-drum music and is a good guitarist with an immediately recognizable style, James is average but has a mellow quality that Billy doesn’t, Jimmy is a world-class drummer. I can’t say whether other comments are sexist or whatever but she was – in terms of her playing and contribution to the song-writing – pretty irrelevant. It’s just the way it was and nothing to do with her being a woman. No doubt Billy was and is a difficult person to get along with in a band dynamic; he’s pretty much fell out with everyone he’s ever worked with over time, but I get the feeling D’arcy was hard work too.

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            She doesn’t have to record an album to be a musician. She is classically trained and now I suspect that was the reason she clashed with Mr. Diva Corgan, because unlike him, she knew what the fuck she was talking about. Corgan has stated in the past she was influential in shaping the bands sound, so I believe her actual understanding of music helped his ignorant ass, but he’s too much of a diva to admit. I can’t say whether she was instrumental or not for the band, but I can say that someone classically trained is capable of doing things in a band a self-taught musician can’t and I speak from experience. Regardless the fact Corgas was unable to produce any song after she and James left, is a clear indicator to me that maybe she was important to their success after all.

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            Also, my comment was not meant to imply he treated her like shit because she was a woman, but that people in the comments section is treating her with a double standard because she is a woman. They call her crazy and a drug addict while never mentioning Jimmy, who literally almost died of an overdose with Jonathan Melvoin.

          • Fey Wutt

            oh Jimmy DID die on that tour. TWICE!!! and had to be revived.

            jonathan too. They just couldn’t revive him the last time.

          • Tilman Müller

            Crazy that the tour went on under this situation.

          • Fey Wutt

            Really Tilman?
            This is Rock and Roll!!!

          • Tilman Müller

            Then there should have been more dates in between for rehab.

          • Fey Wutt

            jimmy went to rehab at LEAST 4 times

          • Tilman Müller

            On his comeback with the band, on tour with Manson 2015, he found his new addiction in super healthy food, at least that’s what he posted on Twitter. Even a picture of a 106 year old, but still tasteful looking fruitcake. Well frozen at Scott’s otherwise unsuccessful Antartica picnic.
            I must admit: I’m getting hungry at this beautiful cake too.

            Fruitcake From Robert Scott Expedition Is ‘Almost’ Edible at 106 Years Old https://t.co/WVQyDf7l8R— Jimmy Chamberlin (@jccomplex) 14. August 2017

          • Trovoid

            Tilman doesn’t seem so tough now!

            Let’s baptize him by fire and throw him into a mosh pit.

          • Tilman Müller

            I only feel sorry for the medics having to revive self destructive idiots…

          • Trovoid

            Nobody wants to be an addict, Tilman. Being self-destructive is a part of mental illness. But yeah I’m sure it’s stressful watching someone get arrested or overdose over and over again.

          • Tilman Müller

            My tough answer to avoid getting baptized.

            From a real tough guy…:
            “I never failed or quit at anything in my life. I’m a solution oriented person.”
            And how someone else thought about him…:
            “…idiot. One of these people who don’t know anything and can’t wait to demonstrate that.”
            “I know him in real life and he’s a big fat disgusting loser with nothing better to do than pretend he knows all about black ops shit.”

            Back to addictions:
            I would even go so far that everyone has his kind of addiction. Doesn’t only have to be the use of drugs. Collecting things can become a dangerous obsession…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVg07t1HCE

          • Trovoid

            Just screwing with you about the baptized thing. And yeah addictions come in all different forms. Whether it’s sex, gambling, junk food or even collecting/hoarding.

          • Tilman Müller
          • Fey Wutt

            rock’n’roll 101

          • Tilman Müller

            101…?
            When I googled, even adding the word “meaning”, I only got some Best Of-song collections.
            Does it just say, it’s just part of the rock’n’roll live, sex and drugs and rock’n’roll?

            Wait! There’s a live record from Depeche Mode, also called “101”. Always wondered what the number there stood for. I need a hint!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQaoPIRjn6I

          • mike

            In the US, the basic entry level college classes on any subject were often numbered like that, so Chemistry 101 is a beginning class while Chem 300 something would be more intermediate … in other words this is Rock basics here

            SP connection to this number: back in the 90s there was an “alternative” Chicago radio station, Q101, that played SP all the time

          • Tilman Müller

            I’m only wondering now, how the British band Depeche Mode chose the same number.

          • mike

            I don’t know but I hope D* posts some more stories on here, or does a podcast or something.

            Gotta admit, in all honesty, my opinion of her through the years from the late 90s on wasn’t the highest — and that was based on whatever little I had heard or saw. Getting her side of what happened, just the stuff she shared on here, changed my perspective. I really wish her the best … and I think she’s way better off on a farm this summer than doing that reunion tour.

            This big SP feud is great nostalgic drama I can’t get enough of, honestly. The early 90s were the best time to be a fan of the band, especially before Siamese Dream. They played in smaller intimate venues, and they always put on an AMAZING show. That wasn’t just Billy & Jimmy, but the whole band was playing and playing well. And there’s no going back to that, it’s a different time and era.

          • Tilman Müller

            rock’n’roll suicide…

          • Pedro

            About SP X HOLE: Were you friends with Melissa or Courtney Love? Were you betrayed by Melissa?

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            She doesn’t have to record an album to be a musician. She is classically trained and now I suspect that was the reason she clashed with Mr. Diva Corgan, because unlike him, she knew what the fuck she was talking about. Corgan has stated in the past she was influential in shaping the bands sound, so I believe her actual understanding of music helped his ignorant ass, but he’s too much of a diva to admit it. I can’t say whether she was instrumental or not to the band, but I can say that someone classically trained is capable of doing things in a band a self-taught musician can’t and I speak from experience cause I’m also classically trained and know a shitload of things my former bandmates never did. Regardless, the fact Corgan was unable to produce any song worth noticing after she and James left, is a clear indicator to me that maybe she was important to their success after all.

          • johnniealpha

            Of course she doesn’t. That part of my comment was directed at the first couple of posts in this thread really and is just pointing out that it’s an unrealistic expectation, given her lack of activity over almost 20 years. As you say, Billy and others have over the years credited her with having “good taste” or whatever, which may be down to her classical training. As she has almost no writing credits on any of the band’s output it’s questionable how involved she was in writing and composing anything. It seems, likely it was more in a “that sounds good” or “no, that’s awful” kind of critiquing. I recall the MCIS-era song “Marquis in Spades” got left off the album because Billy said the rest of the band said “no”, so I’m guessing that was D’arcy, primarily. Same happened with “Set the Ray to Jerry”, though this time it was definitely Flood who said “no”. Oddly both are good songs! Did Corgan resent her training? It seems unlikely, he always seemed to want to get the most out of the others, has always called Jimmy the best musician in terms of playing and has, down the years castigated James and D’arcy for their lack of contribution. You can call that “control freakery”, “egomania” etc, as has been stated many times. Alternately you could se it as Billy being a prodigiously talented, certainly prolific songwriter and workaholic who was driven to succeed and in fact, powered the whole enterprise. If things had been more democratic, would they have even made more than 1 album and how long would it have taken? Since 2000 James has made 1 album and contributed to 2 others. Corgan has put out 6 albums, several EPs and written loads of songs that haven’t even been released (Zwan plus SP). I agree that his work post-2000 has been spotty, at best but he’s still produced more “good” songs than most artists do in their careers in that timeframe. The Zwan material (not the album) was excellent. I’d say post-Zwan Billy has been in creative decline and is unlikely to pull out of that. I think it has a lot more to do with the sheer volume of quality songs he’s written up to about 2003, rather than D’arcy not being there to guide him. I’m not saying I’m not bummed that she won’t be involved in the reunion though, it’s disappointing news. Corgan, even with Jimmy has not sounded anything like SP since Machina. I think with James onboard there’s more of a chance with the next record, we’ll have to wait and see.

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            Well i’ll take that back. Song for a Son, CameraEye (from his solo career) and Zwan was actually better than most powerpop groups out there, you’re correct. Pinwheels could be a Mellon Collie song too I think. He’s definitely an under appreciated songwriter. I’ve heard horrible stories of working with him (I work with PR in LA) and I’m convinced his persona smeared his chances of being fully acknowledged by his talent. Personally I think that not being an asshole would work in favor of a band or group, classical music is filled with Corgans so this isn’t even a rock thing. He seems to be desperate for validation, which is sad. I get he feels wronged by the music industry, but maybe if he wasn’t a complete asshole people would give him more credit.

          • johnniealpha

            Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you say there; the way he goes about things has certainly done him no favours at all and I don’t see it changing going forwards, which is kind of sad. I think very few people break out of their way of thinking, it forms quite early on and those neural pathways have to be broken down and formed anew. Realistically it doesn’t happen.

          • Dallas Drake

            Disagree. TFE and Oceania were awesome

          • Tilman Müller

            Says the drake…

          • SteveWilmos

            Alright, Oceania had Pale Horse and a few Gishy Siamesy remakes. TFE? Barely worth skimming. Zwan? A black swan rides me, okay, Bill. “But the guitar licks, but Paz, she’s almost as cool as Kim Deal”, and the guy from SlinT!”. Gotchya.

            I just don’t get why if you think they all can’t sing, why you’re singling her background vocals out of the rest of the mess he makes out of the lead (and James’ far more out of key backing).

          • FUQ LIBS

            Bingo.

          • David Roy

            “I can’t actually think of one memorable bassline in any Pumpkins track”
            Listen harder? There’s about 5 classic grooves on Gish alone!

          • johnniealpha

            Downtuned guitar.

          • David Roy

            Eh? So you’re telling me that the the bass on I Am One and Bury Me (to pick a couple of examples) is actually ‘downtuned guitar’ – played by BC, presumably?

          • johnniealpha

            No, of course not. Gish is an exception as it’s pretty much the only album with any distinctive bass. On subsequent albums it’s buried in the mix, the guitar always is the lead instrument. I have no idea who’s playing it. I know Billy played bass on SD, Vig produced Gish also but the sessions weren’t as intense or long. It probably is her, but it could be Corgan. The point I was making is D’arcy had no real identifiable or distinctive style. Otherwise it’d be easy to figure if it was her or Corgan playing. And I’m certain Corgan wrote all the bass parts, or she’d have writing credits on the tracks.

          • Fey Wutt

            what the hell WAS i doing there while we were writing anyway???

          • johnniealpha

            Sorry for the late reply. As my post a little further down explains i wasn’t really sure how the writing credits thing worked. The fact that Billy has basically all the credits made me think that he must’ve written everything. Of course this isn’t so: credits are awarded for the chord / vocal progression – which I guess is the framework of a song. Everything else – drums, bass, supplemental guitar parts are part of the arrangement and not credited. From the perspective of a non-musician, this seems pretty unfair.

            Anyway, I apologize for stating you didn’t write your own parts, this was an honest error borne of ignorance of songwriting procedure on my part. Hope to see you involved at some point in the future with SP. It seems unlikely the way things have played out but in all honesty I never even expected you, James and Corgan to even speak again, so who knows?

          • Paudi O Cuan

            Regardless who played what she still had to go up in front of live audience for 12 years and play bass to all those songs LIVE!! Give her credit brother

          • Tilman Müller

            And as Jimmy got no writing credits too, Billy must also have played the drums! 😮

          • johnniealpha

            Yeah, that’d be a “no”. Got me thinking though, as Jimmy’s contribution was vital to the band, why I could find no songwriting contributions from him. Obviously Billy is no drummer so Jimmy must write his own parts, right? Well, yes he obviously does and no, he gets no songwriting credits from that alone. Found this on a music site which explains it:

            “The song is the chords/lyrics/vocal melody. Basically everything that
            remains if a song is covered by someone else. If the drummer (or
            anyone) helps with these, like Lars (Metallica), they get songwriting credit. If
            they’re just laying down a beat, they don’t.

            A guitar riff is different than a drum beat because the guitar riff is
            providing the chord progression to the song. However, if the guitarist
            is given the chord progression, and THEN comes up with a riff, that’s
            not considered part of the songwriting (like The Police – Every Breath
            You Take. The guitarist owns no publishing and gets no songwriting
            credit on the song, even though his riff is very recognizable. Sting
            wrote the chords, he gets the songwriting credit. The guitarist’s
            arpeggiation of the chords is just a particular arrangement, not part of
            the core song.”

            Genuinely did not know this. Goes on later to explain that if for example “only” the guitar part from EBYT is sampled then the guitarist would get no royalties…

          • Rachel

            Billy has said many times that he played bass on Gish and on Siamese Dream which is why Brett Buchanen asked her if she could recall her song & album contributions. He gave her a chance to set the record straight. She says herself in this very interview that she can not recall her own contributions. To say nothing of the fact that she does not take this opportunity to dispel the rumors or refute Billy’s assertions. That speaks volumes.

          • Gorgon_Hilldusa

            exactly. some people are just too stupid to understand what’s right in front of them as they’re reading it.

          • Fernando

            I’d say you were pretty harsh in your assessment of no recognizable basslines during her enrollment, but I agree with you in the lack-of-personality department. The other side of the coin is Nicole Fiorentino, who in a couple of years did more for TSP sound with her instrument than any other bass player before her.

          • johnniealpha

            Yeah I was probably harsh. Bass was rarely a big deal in Pumpkins’ songs after Gish.

          • Mike Stillwell

            all that is opinion and while i agree with some things….corgan is overrated. and the little secret (that d’arcy knows about that 1 song on siamese…that was hit, that she contributed too in a massive way) cause it only takes 1….1….

            and i dont know…i just cant get into corgans lyrics….his stop- and pitch vocals are …very weird…DISTINCT guitar player maybe…but

            he’s no (modest mouse) Isaac Brock (in terms of guitar & vocals)

            hey d’arcy go work with Omar Rodriguez and Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead or Isaac Brock of Modest Mouse…anyone…

            LOL my buddy was listening to Autolux and Cage the Elephant recently and Arcade Fire and then Silversun Pickups…Arcade Fire’s “The Suburbs” and Silversun Pickups “Lazy Eye” and he said “yea…Lazy Eye…the greatest song that billy corgan never wrote” LMAO

            Even billy said in edge magazine (in a 2008/october interview) “yea….Dramamine is one of the greatest fucking songs ever…I really really do wish I had learned that riff before Isaac he’s a misanthrope”

            IMO Isaac knows how to play the hipster lo-fi rocker better then Billy ever handled it. Take notes

            http://www.mtv.com/news/1619003/modest-mouse-misanthrope-music/

        • Kat Bjelland (Unofficial)

          Gabriel wants to make social justice the politically correct in the music industry and business. Because Darcy poses as a victim, he wants her to get a 1 milion dollars contract. Oh, gosh!
          We all know she plays the violin, but how many thousand years has not this happened? I think classical musicians are the most dedicated possible, much more than rockers and popular music. That is not her case.
          It seems to me that she is trained in victimhood and in life with horses.
          Grow up, kid.

          • Fey Wutt

            how can you tell?
            You can barely speak english for god’s sake
            dummy!

          • Tilman Müller

            We all know now that you think that she plays violin, but also think this hasn’t happened “many thousand years”. I wouldn’t count on you by this…

          • John Scott

            Kat – Why is it D’arcy’s fault if Billy manipulated the situation to lock her out? Your not making much of a point here.

          • Julieta Garcia

            If we want social justice to be PARTIAL for all and politically correct in the industry, do you have any problems? mature and being a woman I am surprised that you have that shitty and detestable comment, it denotes your insecurity and that D’arcy was part in the history of rock, otherwise you are? nothing. Get lost in the jungle darling

    • Mike Lidstone

      lol

    • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

      Is there any music out there written by her other than “Daughter”?

      • johnniealpha

        No. She may have written some of he bass parts for SP but I kind of doubt it.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        Not all musicians are composers, some are transcribers, arrangers and performers, same way that a singer doesn’t need to write their own music to be one.

        • TheGranulatingDarkSatanicMilfs

          I wasn’t questioning her talents, just asking if there was any D’arcy penned tunes I should check out to kind of get an idea of what a solo album of hers would be like

          • Fernando

            Not that anyone unrelated to her knows of, no.

      • Fey Wutt

        what the hell is ‘Daughter’?

        • Tilman Müller
          • Fey Wutt

            ok.

            Still don’t remember it.

          • Tilman Müller

            But some people think, as you played the dominant bass line (yes, they really believe it), you had gotten writing credits.
            Others say, Billy changed his mind and therefore only his name appeared on the flexi disc.

          • mike

            This even goes back to several years before the flexidisc … it was on a tape they used to sell at shows.

            D* is credited in the liner notes on the cassette as co-writing it.

            It also had “psychodelic” (sic) and “Bye June” (later on “Lull,” with artwork by a couple of the W sisters I think, it looked like it was drawn with thick gel pens, always reminded me of that gummy looking frosting that Dairy Queen writes on their ice cream cakes).

          • AndNow2.0

            How do you not remember if you wrote a song or not?? It’s not like you wrote many, you were the bass player for crying out loud! A very good one at that. (Or so I thought!) If you wanted your credit you should have came to Billy with your own material and said look, this is a song I wrote so let’s play it alright? But you didn’t. Now you’re all mad because Billy gets most of the credit and attention.

          • Tilman Müller

            And not again… Can’t wait fot the NEXT sad machine-version of a bummer. If you think you help Corgan to get credits with your stupid, insane yelling you’re on the wrong bord, having the charme of borderline…

        • Pedro

          About “daughter”: I think this is a Smashing Pumpkins Song from 80’s.Did not you write the lyrics for this song?

          • Fey Wutt

            We had literally HUNDREDS of songs. I don’t remember that one, but it WAS NEARLY 30 years ago!

          • Dallas Drake

            Of course she didnt

    • Dane Brennand

      Seconding this.

      Her vocals on Daydream always were great to me. I reckon if she tried she could make an amazing original song and blow Billy the fuck out.

      • Fey Wutt

        and THAT is why he would never let it be on a setlist
        or let me sing lead vocals on another song ever again.

        That’s just a fact.

        • John Scott

          Daydream is a great song. Thank you for making it.

        • Aragon131

          he was worried people would realize you were a MUCH better singer than him.

          • Gorgon_Hilldusa

            look here, gurrrl power- you are firmly aware that darcy could have just started her own band right? she could have started her own band and used all of those wonderful superhuman abilities and skills that she just never managed to demonstrate while in SP, but which you are *so* sure she had, and she could have started her own band and wrote her own music. but she didn’t. nobody was stopping her. oh wait, in your world i’m sure she was and still is being held down by the patriarchy right?

            or maybe she just wasn’t good enough.

        • Tilman Müller

          There was even a discussion on REDDIT, if you or Billy sang DAYDREAM on GISH. Someone added promptly the theory that the follower, I’M GOING CRAZY, was originally called I’M PATRICK SWAYZE…
          https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPumpkins/comments/2c48q8/does_darcy_billy_or_both_sing_daydream_on_gish/

          Billy didn’t sound very supportive in his guitar playing when you sang DAYDREAM live:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlW0u_KWO50

          A better day:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP7QXeP_lHk

          Rare to see all four of you singing live:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOT4i9feKHE

      • John Scott

        Watch the recordings of any of the shows from the Adore tour on YouTube, and you’ll hear strong vocals from D’arcy – which really balanced Billy’s somewhat shrill vocals. She gave good performances every night of that tour, as far as I can tell since we don’t have videos of every performance. By comparison, Billy was very uneven. I thought she really came into her own on that album/tour – which probably scared Billy to death – since he has to be the focus of everything.

        • Dallas Drake

          WHATTT? She was terrible. Nobody in that band could sing

      • Dallas Drake

        Ridiculous. I could sing that song.

        • Tilman Müller

          RIDICULOUS: obviously BILLY couldn’t.

          • SteveWilmos

            He did sing it, it was released post 2007-ish. Was kinda awful too.

          • Tilman Müller

            He sang it himself live since 2007. His version from the recordings of 1991 was released with the Gish deLuxe reissue in 2011.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVxzMCOmubQ

    • Dallas Drake

      Her singing has always been terrible. That record my sell 100 copies

      • Tilman Müller

        Your writing is always terrible: “my sell”…

  • disqus_n5kL4WLA2C

    As a Psychiatrist, I note this plays out like a template for husband wife divorce hell. Or any toxic dyad really. The key kindling: two intense and opinionated- prone to be irritable people. Start from a 50/50 mutual pathological contribution. Do your score keeping from there, you’ll find unhelpful neurotic approaches to the friction points and mutual distortions in their “perceptions.” No one is THAT right really in the end. These are two brilliant and flawed people like us all. That they smashed the dishes ( no pumpkins) again in front of the children the night before Christmas is pitiable. I’m pissed D’Arcy uncanned this now. It’s only so everyone can hurt like she hurts and a total flail. But I had the EXACT same question the interviewer had reviewing the texts: why are there these texts at all? It’s unfathomable that there was not communication that involved vocal cords on something of this magnitude. In that type of vacuum, the negative cancer and ill feelings were a lock. Manifest destiny. And so dysfunctional. Billy in part facilitated the greatness of these people, and as leader it was his job to PICK UP A PHONE AND TALK. Even if he /they had questionable faith in D’Arcy or her role, that should have been spoken to her, the status overcommunicated all along. Not conflicted text updates, Jesus. There would not be those expectation seeds sown of this apparently very toxic disappointment. Whatevs now. I for one will be at every show a 45 year old guy with a few responsibilities can muster. See a few of you rubber neckers there.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      The answer is in the interview itself. Billy is a megalomaniac coward who can’t face people that antagonizes him. Isn’t this obvious?

      • Christof Sieksbi

        and WHO creates these megalomaniacs?

        WE DO.

        SOCIETY.

        We tell Harvey Weinstein he’s a KING, and then are shocked when he acts like one?

        SUCCESS DESTROYS MOST HUMAN BEINGS.

        Ego, etc.

        That’s why we need a MAXIMUM wage.

        When you put SOME humans above others, nothing good ever comes from it.

        • Mike Lidstone

          lol… Billy Corgan: gave D’arcy, someone who had never written in a song in her life and hadn’t written since she left the band.. a career and everything she has. Harvey Weinstein? what? lol

          • Christof Sieksbi

            show where i said Darcy was the LEADER of SP.

            I didn’t. BILLY is.

            The REPORTS that he’s an egotistical bully and jerk are as likely as Harvey being the same. (100%.)

          • johnniealpha

            Why on Earth are you talking about Weinstein? Billy is a flawed person, but he’s talented and driven. No doubt part of his persona has lagged behind his success. A lot of what D’arcy says rings true. Likewise though Corgan has over the years slung a lot of mud at her (and James) and some of that rings true also. All we’re getting here is one person’s impression of how they saw/see things, same as with Billy over the years. Both of them come across as highly0strung individuals with a lot of personal foibles. The truth, as is usually the case probably lies somewhere in between. It’s unlikely to be black and white but people tend to want to see things that way, from the outside.

          • Don Jaun Demarco

            Seriously, D’arcy sounds like she needs fucking prozac

            She’s butt hurt because it was always billys baby from the beginning and shes too prideful to fucking live a life somebody helped her carve

          • Tilman Müller

            It’s more visible that you need another tanning lotion.

      • disqus_n5kL4WLA2C

        There may have been confrontation avoidance. Something everyone has done. Apparently the other members of the band too. You seem to be flailing on Billy a little. I don’t think whipping out “coward” covers it. The whole team of course of which Billy is the leader, must have thought she is not a good fit. Something about her was a deal-breaker and it likely was round Peg-square hole in the end. Darcy certainly is one who knows fear as well and has her own basket of distortions so it could be absolutely true that she had procrastinated the meet up for over a year like the band stated. I just don’t think character assassination is necessary or Illuminating here when you are getting one viewpoint and all the facts cannot possibly be known. They all get benefits of the doubt for that. No one here should be labeling Darcy things either like addict or any of that s***. It was an emotional and I think foolhardy thing for her to do pulling this though. At least she could have said on it several months and seen whether this was prudent but this was impulsive.

        • Fey Wutt

          OMG!!! How can you know us all SO WELL???

          • Tilman Müller

            A very impulsive psychic.

      • Fey Wutt

        Is to me.

    • Ben Chasny

      Jesus, just speak like you would normally. You try to sound smart by spewing out this verbal diarrhea, but it barely makes sense. Like what is a “negative cancer”? Is that the opposite of a positive cancer? And this was one of my favorite parts: “you’ll find unhelpful neurotic approaches to the friction points and mutual distortions in their ‘perceptions.'” WHAT??? It sounds like when someone wants to come off as intelligent, so they use the thesaurus feature to replace a number of their original words with more impressive-sounding synonyms, but the resulting sentence just ends up being a garbled mess.

      And I would be willing to put money on the line that you are no psychiatrist. What you wrote for your ‘analysis’ would maybe get you a passing grade in a low-level undergrad psych course, but there is no way that you completed an undergrad program and then medical school. I think those two would prove to be a “toxic dyad” for you.

      • disqus_n5kL4WLA2C

        You seem to have significant anger. Perhaps it is you that did not have that passing grade?

        • The Angry CS Major

          As a professional psychiatrist, i am beginning to sense significant anger. I think you are beginning to realize you do not know shit about what you are talking about.

      • Gregg O’Gaftin

        Ha! As an LCSW therapist I was thinking the same thing. No psychiatrist I’ve ever worked with talks like this. Nor would any true professional attempt to deconstruct an interpersonal conflict between two people they’ve never met via interviews and text messages. Unless they’re an unrelenting narcissistic douchebag. Come to think of it…

        • I’ve Had Enough

          Exactly, I think it’s fine to voice an opinion of your view on people’s psychology. However, saying you’re a professional is pretty ironic as a professional opinion in psychology should be done one on one.

        • Fey Wutt

          My exact same prognosis!!!

          Douchebagitis!!!

          • Tilman Müller

            It’s called “douchebagtitties”.

      • Fey Wutt

        🤣😂

        • Fey Wutt

          PERFECTION!!!!

    • Fey Wutt

      smashed dishes in front of children at Christmas???

      • disqus_n5kL4WLA2C

        My comment was like 6 weeks ago. The fact that you can get revved up like this sounds like a projection, that you and your over-reactive style may be needing that Xanax. It’s such a tense distortion you just made out of thin air, scrolling and trolling old comments. Lol, you missed the boat entirely it was fun colorful language about the dishes being broken, I’m a fan and it was just a metaphor with humor, there was no anger in it but that’s what you felt because that’s what you harbor.

        • Fey Wutt

          Oooooh.

          So you ARE just a big liar.
          We all were pretty sure of that anyway.

        • Fey Wutt

          But you’re here NOW!!!

        • Fey Wutt

          do you see your flawed logic in your attempted insult?

          • Dallas Drake

            Bwahahaha you’re the one with the attempted insult. Youre fvckin lost

          • Tilman Müller

            You lost the “u”. And that’s not all you lost…

        • Dallas Drake

          Even I saw that. She’s a nut

          • Tilman Müller

            YOU must be a nut: “Even I saw that.”

        • SteveWilmos

          Psychobabble. Not everyone is in the immediate-gratification, attention-span of a gnat social media bubble that invalidates a message because it’s six whole weeks old. Ritalin could fix that right up. Or not. Playing Russian roulette with the old brain chemistry is where the big bucks are at.

          My word, ahem. I do say, that was quite rude of me, seventeen days past ripe words and all, pardon.

      • Dallas Drake

        See this shows how crazy and defensive she is

        • Tilman Müller

          Who are YOU talking about, crazy Drake? #3rdpersonfailure

  • DanSwon

    Very revealing. I commend her for her honesty, and feel bad for her having to go through so much crap. I was a bass player in a band with a horribly narcissistic singer and so much of this rings true for me.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      now add MONEY and FAME to it and the a-holes in a band get exponentially worse.

  • Hope D’arcy puts out her own music as and when the time is right, and if not continues to be healthy and happy. When James played his solo gig in London a few years ago I attended and before James played overheard a couple of guys talking at the back of the hall, one appeared to be involved in the event there. He said someone had asked James if he would work with Billy Corgan again, the answer was a 100% “No”.

    • Aragon131

      yikes.

    • Dallas Drake

      That’ll never happen

      • Tilman Müller

        You should have never happened

  • Rachel

    The stand out Q & A here for me are “What albums & what songs did you contribute to?” She answers neither in specifics. For 20 years I’ve been trying to figure out what D’Arcy does. Fellow fans can’t tell me and not even D’Arcy can answer that question. What the hell did she ever do for this band and in this band?

    • bobliefeld

      Oh.. well, she was their bassist. She played bass.

      Also possibly called Billy out on making lame shit although it could be a coincidence that he’s yet to make a non-lame record without her around.

      • Aragon131

        It seems like she was the only band member who could stand up to his ego trips and soothe his insecurities. He needs her to stand grounded and functioning.The reality that people were WAY more excited to see D’arcy than him must have killed him.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          and of course, the fact she was the only one with a classical music training. No one will ever convince me that this didn’t play a huge part on their song, only a megalomaniac like Billy would take full credit for that. A guy validating Mozart to classically trained musicians, no less.

          • Dallas Drake

            Dude, shut up about classical music training and Mozart

          • Tilman Müller

            Dallas Drake only likes the country fiddle…

        • Dallas Drake

          People aren’t way more excited to see Darcy. Billy doesn’t need her to stay grounded, he’s got a family fool

          • Aragon131

            BC’s wife is half his age. And she couldn’t talk him out of doing some really nutty things

      • Rachel

        Whether one enjoys a piece of music is subjective. What is fact, and D’Arcy confirms, is that during the bands formative years she was not a contributing member. That Alternative Nation knew it was important to ask these 2 specific questions about album & song contributions is very, very telling.

        • bobliefeld

          It’s pretty well established that the songs were developed as a band (what Butch Vig and the band have said). Billy wrote the riffs / chord progressions but the band developed the arrangements together.

          Billy played most of the guitar & bass on the first 2 records but she wrote the parts.

          She played all / most of her parts on MCIS. She played the bass on Adore (where there is bass guitar…). She played bass on the Machina albums although there’s some drama now on whether James & Billy re-recorded her parts (probably not, why bother?).

          Formative years she co-wrote a song or two right? Daughter or Stars Falling ?

          • Rachel

            I wish D’Arcy herself would say these things and declare her legacy, if she really does have one. While lots of people (fans and industry peers) debate her contributions she offers no answers directly from her own self. Even in this interview when asked point blank (which songs, which albums) she says she can’t remember what her own contributions were and then wanders off on a tangent.

          • Adrian Evans-Burke

            I think there are two issues at play… 1) IMHO, even if she is clean, her memory about that period is probably a bit shot. She admits to trying to drink away the memories (never mind the drug use). So there may just be lots of details that are too fuzz for her. Another side-effect of the long term substance abuse may also be her inability to focus on the questions asked and stay on topic (though in her defense, this interview was also edited down, so maybe something was lost in translation. 2) Since Billy’s MO was to go back and record over things that didn’t meet his standards, it may be the case that she as no idea where her contributions end and his begin. I even recall around the time MCIS came out, Billy really emphasizing the fact that all the band members were recording in the studio so that they could move past the bad blood of Siamese Dream. He has since severely downplayed that assertion, calling it more of a marketing thing and claiming that James played a few leads and D’arcy again being mostly replaced by Billy. Who knows what’s true. I don’t really care, because I think that the live version of the band with the four of them is just as valid (for me) as the studio version with maybe 2.5 of them. They visually represented something that was very important to me: a group of outsiders who didn’t look or dress like anyone else and succeeded on their terms. As someone who grew up feeling like an outsider, the “idea” of the ‘Pumpkins was a critical element of my fandom, and that went away once D’arcy left, no matter how many random female bassists Billy plugged into the role.

          • Rachel

            If Brett Buchanan is reading this thread I wonder if he can address why he wanted to ask her these 2 specific questions about song & album contributions. It is very frustrating as a fan and as a woman to see other people (mostly men) speak for her and then when she gets her chance she blows it. All these years I wanted to hear from her, to hear her claim her legacy and to shout her accomplishments from the rooftops. I feel like she gave the question of her accomplishments a giant mean spirited shrug off. Saying, “Dunno what I did but Billy’s an ass.” What a let down. As a fan and as a woman. What a let down.

          • Adrian Evans-Burke

            Well, she actually got involved in the comments section of an article on this site, which lead to this interview, so who knows. Maybe she’ll pop back up here and address it. D’ARCY: If you’re reading this, we love you and are sorry that this crap went down like this.

          • Alternative Nation

            I wanted to ask because Billy said he recorded most of the bass on Gish and Siamese Dream.

          • Rachel

            Exactly! I gasped when I read your question because, finally, let’s set the record straight. I think she did answer, though not to her own favor. I think the truth is right there in her response, or lack thereof.

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            As someone already posted here. It has been on record for years her legacy and contribution according to Butch Vig and Corgan himself. Why is this even an issue?

          • AnaTheHorrible

            “…it may be the case that she as no idea where her contributions end and his begin.”

            that’s what it sounded like to me. it’s very common for these kind of situations, especially after a lot of time has passed.

          • bobliefeld

            I don’t think she cares. She was saying what she wants to say.

            She’s been quite happy to quietly do her own thing since the split and has only come out now because she feels Billy has fucked her over personally. She probably couldn’t care less if people on the internet don’t think she recorded the bass on Luna or whatever.

            There’s not really any debate over her legacy anyway. It’s all “on the record”, both Butch Vig and Billy have said what she did in the band. If anyone cares enough to know they can find out easily.

          • Dallas Drake

            What? Are you kidding me? You don’t think she cares?

          • Danny

            Is that not stooping to Billys level though? One of Billys first massive public faux-pas was when he stated he played all guitars and bass on Siamese Dream. It would have been cooler and shown more integrity to just shut up about that stuff and let that info come out naturally. Just as an example, Dave Grohl was much more subtle about the fact he played everything on album #1 and drums, guitar and vocals on album #2. Darcys legacy apart from anything is that she played bass at what 750 Pumpkins shows!

          • johnniealpha

            That’s a fallacy actually. Vigg asked Billy to lay down the bass and James’ guitar parts on SD, due to the tremendous amount of layers on much of the guitar and he was more technically able than the other two. D’arcy and James were struggling with it, the sessions were dragging on, costs were spiraling so Billy agreed. DW and JI signed off on it and it was to be kept in-house. Later, iirc James blew the “secret” out, presumably because his nose was out-of-joint. It was only then that Corgan acknowledged that this was what happened Vigg’s confirmed this. This is likely why they went with Flood for MCIS and later albums, as his methods were different and all band members would record their own parts. As regards Machina it’s not certain how much (if any) of the album was laid down when D’arcy quit. Certainly many of the songs were written after the short Arising tour where the new material was played. Some of the song that were performed ended up radically different on the album. The general consensus is that little if any of D’arcy’s bass made it on Machina

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            What answer do you need? No ensemble works without everyone’s contribution, that’s not how music works. Billy Asshole himself has stated during sparks of candid moments that she was instrumental in creating their songs. What else do you need?

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            You’re correct. I never played in a rock band, though I’m a rock lover, but I had played for orchestra and you can’t make music by yourself in an ensemble. The fact anyone believes Billy was the sole contributor to this band shows how ignorant they are about music as a whole. No surprise D’arcy is the only classical trained musician and understands how a song actually works.

          • Christopher

            Dude. As a classically trained musician (which you’ve reminded us you are 75 times today), you can’t tell me you know the ins and outs of songwriting. Corgan wrote the guitar progressions, lyrics, melodies, and then apparently went and played (& probably wrote or re-wrote) 85% of D’Arcy & James’ parts.

            No one denies D’arcy was artistically valuable. But without Corgan constructing the bulk of the music, what exactly does D’Arcy do? Does she ever become a professional musician, classical or no? Does she ever get the money to start & run a horse farm for 20 years?

            In the rock realm in this project, Corgan WAS the Mozart. D’Arcy was just first chair cello who even the producer agreed (Vig) that her playing wasn’t good enough to go on record most of the time.

          • Dallas Drake

            bwahahaha Billy doesn’t know how a song works….you’re so full of yourself with all this “I’m a classically trained musician like Darcy” BS.

    • fede4488

      You chewed up Billy’s stories. What do you call a man who diminishes a woman’s value and her contributions? A misoygnist!

      • Rachel

        I don’t know if he is a misoygnist. The suspicions that she contributed very little, if at all, have been whispered about for decades which is why Alternative Nation knew it was important to ask her. Her responses are in her own words and they are what they are: telling.

        • Dallas Drake

          They tell nothing except she’s batshit. Is that misogynistic too?

      • ClobberDobson

        Bullshit. If he did it BECAUSE she was a woman, then he might be a misogynist. But just because she’s a woman doesn’t make him a misogynist. Take that SJW bs elsewhere.

      • Nick

        Jesus H. Christ, this has got nothing to do with her being a woman. She did just the same to James Iha FFS. The difference is that Iha accepted Corgan’s bullshit and she did not. Stop fucking using the word misogynist randomly, it loses all impact.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        That is pretty clear. Ask Paz and the other chick how they were treated during the Zwan era..

      • SlipperyJim

        What do you call it if he diminishes both other men and women equally though, what’s that label called?!

    • Adrian Evans-Burke

      Billy, during his more honest moments, has been very candid that while she did not contribute many recorded bass parts (due to a combination of his perfectionism, but also a desire to record things precisely in few takes), she and James were both very instrumental in helping to arrange the material, as the band would jam out on it all and work it out together before finally recording parts. He also gave her credit for having really good taste and being a good check against his bullshit and being the one who could tell him when something wasn’t working. And while it may suck that her and James and limited contributions on the actual albums, I think the other element (helping guide the idea to the finish line) really has been missing from his work. It’s now all Billy and there’s no one to step back and say, “Wait a minute, this ‘Oceania’ song is really going no where.”

      • Rachel

        Thank you for the first thoughtful response I’ve heard on this matter. Certainly thoghts to consider. 👍🏻

      • Danny

        What does Darcy do? To my knowledge she played all the bass on Mellon Collie. You can see her recording in the 666 video. If someone has some specific info that she didn’t record the MCIS bass parts please point me to it.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          If I remember correctly, she recorded everything, including vocals to all the songs and then Billy just rerecorded himself because he is that insecure and egotistical. Plus she was very vocal during the Adore era that she was tired of working her ass off just to have her work cut off. Corgan looks like a nightmare to around. I’m surprised they lasted that long, and he’s not even that good of a musician (to those like D’arcy and myself) who actually hold a degree in classical music. He’s average at best.

        • Dallas Drake

          She DID play bass on that album, one of my least favorite albums. IMO the band went into a funk after Siamese. Billy was able to pick it up with a new ensemble, Zwan. Future Embrace was also awesome. But then Zeitgeist happened.

          • Tilman Müller

            I’m glad, your Zeitgeist is running out soon. As a drake…

      • Daniel Johnson

        This is a good response but why couldn’t D’arcy say this herself?

        • Rachel

          Amen

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          Does she really need to, really? It’s not like Corgan leaves any room. I think everyone is just tired of his antics. I would be too if I had to work with him.

          • Daniel Johnson

            Yes. It’s a huge part of the controversy and she’s publicly attacking him for downplaying her contributions. She should be able to speak to her contributions, especially when asked directly. The vagueness and incompleteness of her response is suspect

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            Corgan and Butch Vig both had publicly stated she worked on studio albums and was instrumental in shaping their sound. It’s public knowledge and it has been for decades. Why would she need to address something even egomaniac Corgan has addressed already?

          • Daniel Johnson

            “worked on albums” and “was instrumental in shaping a sound” is super vague. like, was she just there to give her opinion on stuff, to track a part someone else roughed out (likely) or was she writing and tracking her own bass parts? not that there is only one valid way to be a contributor to a project but if the biggest part of her contribution was “vibes” it might go a ways towards explaining corgan’s hesitation at inviting her back for something as intense as a high stakes world tour, especially if she’s out of shape on her instrument. her lack of activity since and inability to even say directly what she brought to the table in the first place makes her seem artistically inessential.

          • Rachel

            Yep.

          • Dallas Drake

            You’re sooooo wrong. Butch has stated he asked Billy to do all the parts because of being over budget and against a timeline

          • Tilman Müller

            Better let Butch Vig speak for himself:
            “Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. If you ever saw them live, they’re all badass players, but Billy Corgan is a better guitar player than James, and he’s a better bass player than D’arcy.“
            “We would track a song, and we would record it trying to make sure we had a really good feel for it, but primarily I was listening to make sure we got a killer drum take by Jimmy Chamberlin.“
            “Then we would usually go back and overdub everything, and Billy was just better at redoing the guitars and bass. On both [1991’s] ‘Gish’ and [1993’s] ‘Siamese Dream,’ D’arcy and James played a little bit, but it’s over 90% Billy, because he’s a phenomenal musician.“
            “There was conflict – I think the band felt like, ‘We are good enough to do it.’ Like I said, D’arcy and James are amazing musicians. There were times when I would sit in the studio and give them the time to do that, and I would say at the end of the day, you can track a part, but I think Billy’s going to want to come in, and I want to see if he can beat it. So at least they had an opportunity to do that.“
            “There were some times I chose D’arcy’s part, or James, over Billy’s. To say there was conflict in that band, that’s not the only reason there was conflict. There were a lot of things pulling at Smashing Pumpkins. Somehow I made it through two album cycles with them. They were always on the verge of imploding.”

      • ClobberDobson

        Yep. It was the creative chemistry between the original 4 that made them great to begin with. Billy will never be able to recreate that.

        • Christof Sieksbi

          that’s kind of lazy thinking.

          it is human nature to ROMANTICIZE a “group” (3 muskateers!) because we all long for family / community / teamwork.

          You can have a Classic Band we all love and no matter how “useless” a Ringo or Bill ward MAY APPEAR compared to the songwriters blah blah, WE FANS WANT THAT FAMILY UNIT — even if the band found BETTER drummers. See?

          SAME reason we don’t want to know that Darcy didn’t play bass on all the SP records.

          WE WANT THAT ILLUSION of a TEAM of friends.. working together to make great music.

        • Dallas Drake

          Wrong

          • Tilman Müller

            : arguing with a thick mind.

      • Dallas Drake

        You’ve lost it. Oceania was amazing

        • Tilman Müller

          Don’t trust it from a DRAKE

    • reality

      She contributed to the friction and overall dynamic necessary for the band to experience its zenith. And she did just fine live, and unlike everyone (except Melissa) who came after, she actually had stage presence.

      • Dallas Drake

        Bwahahaha. She had no stage presence.you could tell she was seriously concentrating trying to keep up. Nicole runs circles around Darcy

        • Tilman Müller

          The only one running circles was MadM. Didn’t improve her bass playing.

    • Adw

      Billy says neither D’arcy or James contributed very much to classic SP sound. But he has demonstrated over and over that he can’t make anything anywhere near that level without them. He makes crap records on his own, even when Chamberlain is involved. So if it wasn’t James, D’arcy, Jimmy or Billy, it must’ve all been Butch Vig. 😜

      • slickpoetry

        The only records Chamberlin made with Billy post-breakup are Mary Star of the Sea and Zeitgeist, neither of which qualify as “crap records”

        • Nick

          Mary Star of The Sea and Zeitgeist don’t qualify as crap records, you’re right. You just forgot to add the word “even” after the word “which”, though.

        • Dallas Drake

          Mary Star of The Sea is fantastic. The fvcking guitaring is amazing and Paz on backup vocals blended perfectly with Billy, something that can’t be said for Darcy

          • Tilman Müller

            A “Drake” and “The Sea”. You can’t expect an objective opinion in this combination…

      • Daniel Johnson

        Don’t discount youth, ambition, the expectations and resources of the major label heyday and, yes, the producers like Butch Vig (Vig and Flood are geniuses) in why those early albums are so hot. Most artists can’t reproduce their early vital periods. The fact that Billy hasn’t made an album as good as the early lineup era isn’t proof that the early lineup was responsible for the greatness missing.

        • Christof Sieksbi

          NOT ONE “GREAT” ARTIST IS GREAT.

          EX:
          Jimmy Page’s THE FIRM.

          EX:
          how many SOLO albums by the ink Floyd guys were AS GOOD as the band?

          IT IS ALWAYS THE CHEMISTRY OF ALL INVOLVED.

          (Sting didn’t go solo for the MUSIC. He went solo to be surrounded by YES men who wouldn’t tell him “that’s weak, and that’s weak”. THIS is why bands are always much better than the solo careers.)

          GEORGE LUCAS deserves like 10% of the credit for the OT Star wars.

          • Daniel Johnson

            All of your musical examples are of artists working post fame and wealth and at older ages, which ignores my point. Youth and ambition are hunger that fuels great art. Recorded music is of course a collaborative effort but there are tons of great solo artists (elliott smith was great solo and better AFTER leaving heatmeiser, Jeff Buckley was great and better after leaving Gods And Monsters, etc.) and of course centuries of composers greating great art in relative solitude. Billy Corgan with Jimmy Chamberlin were obviously the prime drivers of the pumpkins’ greatness

          • FUQ LIBS

            The Firm was bad? You forgot about Paul Rodgers and Chris Slade? You are a clueless child.

          • John Scott

            Even The Beatles were greater than the sum of their parts. Sometimes when you get the right people in the room at the right time – magic happens. For the Pumpkins, that meant Jimmy, D’arcy, James and Billy. It’s ok to share credit. I’m not sure why people feel Billy has to be the sole reason for success.

        • Dallas Drake

          “Billy hasn’t made anything good since” is not a fact. You haven’t been paying attention

          • Daniel Johnson

            I didn’t say he hasn’t made anything good. I said he hasn’t made anything AS good. You missed a word.

          • Tilman Müller

            You’re wrong. He only hasn’t been paying. For the following shit.

      • Gabriel Bianchi

        He’s said many times (then later recanted it) that D’arcy and James were instrumental to the Pumpkins sound. He even praised her in the past for her base contribution and her classical musical training. I’m baffled that fans forget that and concentrate on this nutty shapeshifting Alex Jones persona that he holds now. I’d wager the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame ignored him because no one can’t stand this douchebag.

        • FUQ LIBS

          Or because Jann Wenner did not want to blow him.

      • Dallas Drake

        Are you fvcking kidding me. Have you heard the amazing guitar work on Zwans album. future Embrace and Oceania are way better than anything from MCIS to Machina

        • Tilman Müller

          Lonesome Drake. Nobody understands you. Except Billy…

  • AnaTheHorrible

    this resonates so much. it explains a lot about them and about her but also sounds so familiar not only because of the music but also because of how it reminds me of some of my own relationships also around that time. loved this interview, never cared much about knowing anything about musicians, but really love the way she comes off here. all of this feels weirdly intimate in a lot of ways.

  • Matt Smith

    Billy should change his name to Bully

  • Cody Devere

    That’s the Billy few know.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      Really? Unless you were living under a rock the past 20 years, thats pretty much the only Billy anyone has ever known.

  • Leslie

    Even before social media, I had heard about Billy’s antics. I was still a fan anyway, because of the music. I was even blessed by seeing them live around Chicago in 99, Ava Adore tour, without Jimmy. I was able to meet all three members because I was with someone who knew them. Even when our friend introduced us, Billy and James barely acknowledged us. James was more no eye contact and quiet, Billy looked at us like we were insects. If he hadn’t been afraid of being rude to us in front of my friend, pretty sure he wouldn’t have even acknowledged us. You know who shook my hand, talked, and was a genuine sweetheart? D’Arcy. I remember thinking she was different looking in person, even more beautiful in person. And for the record, she didn’t look or act all cracked out. I’m not denying she did drugs, but that day, she was the only one acting normal, and down to earth. Despite it all, it was an AMAZING concert, they sounded excellent, and there wasn’t any weird, overly long Billy jam sessions. It was just them playing the songs, and it was fucking magical!

    I stopped listening to them after D’arcy left, not bc she left, but bc something DID change in the music with her and James gone. Sure it’s Billy’s ballgame, but in some way, some how, D’arcy and James were part of the magic, too. It’s sad how people dismiss them, so. And I personally can’t imagine being in a band indefinitely, where you pretty much have no input, THEN have to put up with Billy’s antics. If Billy can find that magic again without the other 3, good for him, and I’ll start buying his music again. Because it really was/is all about the music to me.

    I’ve been hearing that D had cleaned herself up a year plus ago, and has been playing bass that long, as well, if not longer. So if she WAS really ready to tour, then yeah, pretty shitty on Billy’s part. Even still, I’d wager there’s more non sober than sober rock stars out there and they get to tour and record. Keith Richards and Steven Tyler, anyone? Initially, Billy promised a fun laid back reunion, then later, he’s telling her everything is precisely timed so she needs to be up to par. Understandable, but that contradicts his original plan.

    One more piece of info. I dated a guy that owned an indie fed in Chicago. Indies don’t make you any money at all. Ex had a day job, still. It was a labor of love for him, so I can see Billy being stretched thin and needing the money. And according to the ex, Billy isn’t professional in that biz, either. So, to me, despite D’s flaws, ole Bill needs to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror, himself.

    • Corndog

      What’s an indie fed?

      • skullboy0

        Independent professional wrestling federation.

        • Leslie

          Yes, thank you. Didn’t mean to be vague, sorry!

        • Corndog

          Thanks:)

    • ClobberDobson

      They all 4 together, despite their differences and dramatics, had some kind of chemistry and magic. That’s something that really needs to get through to Billy. Screw the tour – just record some great music.

      • Leslie

        I agree, there was a chemistry there, and after they left, the music changed.

        • ClobberDobson

          How did Billy treat you guys like insects? Just curious.

          • Leslie

            Looked at us like we disgusted him. Like it hurt him to simply say hi lol.

          • ClobberDobson

            Jesus. Glad I never met him, then. That would have destroyed me as a young fanboy. Hahah.

          • Leslie

            Lol sorry! I had loved them all, but fangirled D’Arcy. Sadly, the boys disappointed me, but omg was she beautiful, and so sweet. She was wearing the Adore black shirt and horns. I could barely speak to her lol.

          • ClobberDobson

            Yes, I was right in front of her when they played the H.O.R.D.E Fest during that era! She was beautiful. When I saw them on the MCIS tour, Billy walked through the front of the convention center and caused a fan mob. He was laughing and shook some hands. Must have been in a good mood that day.

          • Leslie

            Lol must have been! That day, let me put it this way, he was in a good mood, but only if you were of importance to him. That said, they put on a truly amazing show that night. Everyone was on point.

          • ClobberDobson

            Maybe he was on shrooms. I’ve heard stories about their psychedelic use. 😉

          • Leslie

            Lol yeah, something was up! If Billy quit taking himself so seriously, he’d start making good music again.

          • Sean Ridgeley

            She really is one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen. She seems radiant.

          • Christof Sieksbi

            SUCCESS turns Good People BAD.

            It’s extremely rare to find a Tom Hanks.

          • disqus_n5kL4WLA2C

            It sounds like the two guys were in atrocious moods and prob burned out and not up for meeting. It’s likely you and your friends were happier than they were at that moment if you can imagine. It’s not like they don’t live disgruntled existences like other people time to time. Still I take it as a slice though, esp for D’arcy too, thanks

          • Leslie

            I think being quiet and reclusive was just James’ deal. Billy wasn’t in a bad mood with people he deemed important. Our mutual friend was important enough to him, so he did some ass kissing. I understand people have bad days, but an ex, who has dealt with him too (plus the other stories I’ve heard), every person pretty much has the same story. I am sorry to burst anyone’s bubble about Billy… Like I said, I still immensely enjoyed the show they put on that night, still walked away a fan. Bc at that point, I still dug their music.

          • Stephanie Dyer

            I met Billy in 2005, and he was incredibly kind, gave me his full attention as we spoke, made eye contact, and as he hugged me goodbye said “I’m really glad to have met you today, thank you.” You had one experience; I had a different one. Neither of us are in a position to say we know who or what he really is. It was, in both cases, one moment on one day that’s long since passed.

          • Christof Sieksbi

            MOST band leaders do this.

            When you put a human IN CHARGE of other humans, rarely does that work out, b/c humans cannot be trusted with POWER.

      • Sadly, Billy is so lost in his antics that is unable to notice it, as has been for the last… 20 years? If you read this, old Bill: you were part of something special. It was not about you alone, it never was, but the four of you.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          You, sir, just summed up this whole deal.

      • Dallas Drake

        Oceania, Zwan album and Future Embrace are better than MCIS thru Machina
        #facts

        • Tilman Müller

          #fact-acts

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      I for one, will be torrenting the new album. Won’t give a penny to Billy after all the evidence we saw here.

      • Leslie

        That actually made me lol. I was hoping a classically trained musician would speak up for her. So, thanks for having D’s back on that one. 🙂

      • Fey Wutt

        what does “torrenting” mean?

        • John Scott

          Torrenting: Pirating an illegal copy from someone else.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      SUCCESS DESTROYS HUMANS.

      Everyone loves to ignore that obvious fact.

      EVERY ONE OF OUR FAVE BANDS BROKE UP DUE TO SUCCESS.

      EX:
      once a band is RICH and FAMOUS, they lose their drive, their unity (as each member spends their money on outside things), and their hunger.

      WHY would Axl Rose make a good followup to Appetite? He’s got EVERYTHING he ever wanted: riches, drugs, girls… no reason to keep doing shows etc.

      PINK FLOYD say it out loud: the huge success of Dark Side KILLED THE BAND PERMANENTLY. (It took other forces to make them do 3 more great albums.)

      SUCCESS DESTROYS HUMANS.

      Oprah said it on Colbert recently: when she got the money and fame, she DIED INSIDE.

      No more drive.
      No more motivation.

      • Christopher

        Rush? Depeche Mode? Massively successful, stayed together.

    • Andy

      Hey Leslie – I totally agree! When I met D’arcy I thought she was more beautiful in person than in her photos. I used to work at the Lincoln Park Whole Foods and she came in with a friend to eat at the restaurant that was upstairs. Everybody was whispering about her being there so I went up and asked the hostess if it was cool to go up to her table. She said “Oh, go ahead, she’s been talking to people the whole time she’s been up here. She doesn’t care.” So I plopped down on the floor and introduced myself and I ended up having a nice ten minute conversation with her and her friend. I don’t remember everything that we discussed but we did talk about the Smashing Pumpkin’s song “Eye” that they did for the Lost Highway soundtrack which had just come out recently. She was really a sweetheart and signed an autograph for me as well.

      I had a completely different experience than you did though with Billy Corgan and James Iha. They also happened to shop at Whole Foods and when Billy was in the store one time I went up to talk to him and he was very cordial and didn’t bat an eye when I asked him for an autograph. He signed it no problem. What impressed me the most was when I went to the Radiohead concert at the Riviera a few months later and I happened to be backstage because one of my friends was friends with the band and Billy was backstage too and he remembered who I was when I said “hi” to him. He was really nice and laid back.

      James Iha was the same way. I was waiting on him at the store and when I asked for an autograph he was totally cool with it. I remember I told him I really liked his solo album Let It Come Down that was out and he had this very genuine reaction. He kind of was taken aback and said “Oh, thanks. Thank you very much!” James had this smile on his face like “Oh wow, this guy bought my album and he really likes it!”. It was very sincere. I bumped into him another time and I think I startled him at first because he had this look on his face like “Who is this guy approaching me?” but when he saw it was me he loosened up. The Pumpkins were just on Q101 the other day and I remember I asked him about something that they were talking about (what exactly I don’t know) but he started laughing and explained whatever it was and then he went his way and I went to work!

      I don’t know. Maybe Billy and James were having a bad day when you met them or maybe I caught them on a good day! Who knows why celebrities act one way or another!

    • I’ve Had Enough

      What is an indie fed?

  • Richard Becerra

    F U Dixie carter. This is your fault.

  • Dale Cooper

    Billy is a right wing nutjob, just see his interviews with Alex Jones. The world would have been a better place if he had just OD’d in the late 90s.

    • Kevin

      While I agree that Corgan is a detestable bag of crap, don’t wish death on people. It’s not worth it.

    • DinosaurFace

      Because he has differing points of view to those you hold to?

  • Corndog

    Sounds like Billy is a bit of a bellend. No change there then….

    Best of luck to you D’arcy. You’re better off without that prick.

    • Dallas Drake

      If she was she wouldn’t be here. She clearly doesn’t think she’s better off. Shes pissed and crazy

      • Tilman Müller

        I seriously don’t believe you can judge about it. If you’re a drake. From Dallas -or some other swamp.

      • Corndog

        That’s not at all the impression that she is giving while interacting with her fans. She doesn’t seem pissed or crazy at all. She actually seems quite calm and level headed.

  • Hello Gluegun

    i don’t know about her.

    two quotes from her from the interview regarding Corgan:

    “No, no. We were never friends.”

    “Oh yeah, I really enjoyed our friendship.”

    • Corndog

      I think for the second one, she just meant relationship.

    • Albert Maier

      Yeah. That stood out for me too. Wonder why the interviewer didn’t follow up on that.

      • Fey Wutt

        i was speaking about the way it was when i was in the band before.

        It was much different.

    • Fernando

      “I haven’t talked to James”

      “James and I, we think that…”

    • sclone

      He never calls her, wont ever talk to her directly, to “we talked on the phone” a few paragraphs later. I don’t get it.

    • Bridge Tiessa

      I noticed that and a few other things that seemed to contradict each other.

      • Fey Wutt

        probably the same thing.

        comparing the way it was before to the way it seemed
        when we started speaking again.

    • Fey Wutt

      when we started talking again i thought he had changed.

      we had some really great conversations but apparently
      it was all BS.

      • Aragon131

        was he being truthful when he said you forgave him for being an asshole because the music was more important?

  • Gary Reilly

    Very interesting read, and good to hear D’arcy’s side given that Corgan has been the one controlling most of the PR.

    None of it – if true – surprises me to be honest. Corgan’s always been known for being egotistical, though I thought he had mellowed a bit in recent years.

    You have to question the motives behind the whole reunion thing too, if Corgan was pushing for it because he ‘wanted his band together’ again and to make music as they always did, then why omit D’arcy? The flipside is that if he was doing it just for money, he would be severely hypocritical after publicly calling out Soundgarden (amongst others) in 2012 for reuniting solely to cash in on the band’s name. Sadly, it seems more likely that he’s doing it for money than music given that he’s indicated there will be a tour – where bands make money these days – and no new album.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      When wasn’t Corgan hypocritical? Love SP but he’s an idiot asshole since forever. I pitty his son who will grow to read all his dad madness on google one day. At least my crazy dad didn’t advertise his idiocy for all to see.

      • Fey Wutt

        He had absolutely NO BUSINESS HAVING A CHILD!!!

        • AndNow2.0

          How dare you say something like that! Billy is an awesome Dad, at least based on his instagram posts. He takes his kid Augustus (or Mr choo choo) everywhere! And seems to be really involved in his life, despite being a megastar. Maybe you’re jealous of him being able to handle both fame and family time?

          • Dallas Drake

            Yeah this is really going overboard. Darcy just needs to go away. Classless

          • Tilman Müller

            You are overboarding classless, the one, who needs to go away.

        • Tilman Müller

          For one, whose native language isn’t English: he’s not capable raising a child? I find it disgusting, how he is using his child promoting his t-shirt collection or posting his face for the first time publicly on the cover of his OGILALA record.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f141bc8b7ca6e6c4e6f73ded35e0a4459dbbc1dafb209c63266a21425caa69f9.jpg

          Ein Beitrag geteilt von WilliamPatrickCorgan (@williampcorgan) am Mär 27, 2018 um 6:12 PDT

          • Dallas Drake

            Disgusting? Get a life

          • Tilman Müller

            You want me to get a gay life. THAT’s disgusting…

        • Dallas Drake

          LOL.
          Now you’re off the deep end
          Very sad

          • Tilman Müller

            Very sad to laugh out loud at such circumstances, off the deep end indeed…
            If you’re not a TROLL.

      • Dallas Drake

        His privileged son won’t give a rats ass, nor will his friends

    • Fey Wutt

      Everyone who knows Billy knows he’s ALWAYS been severely hypocritical!

      Why should everyone have to play perfectly?
      but he can sing like shit and so out of tune it’s not even in the same key as the song?
      for years of shows!
      (if you want to call it singing)

      But that’s perfectly FINE.

      It was TORTURE.

      • Dallas Drake

        You know how much his singings improved? The man has worked hard on his voice. Listen to his new album. He still struggles when he competes with loud music, but his voice has come a longggg way. I can’t listen to Machina or MCIS because of his voice.

  • John Andrew Fredrick

    No matter what the devil and he said/she said, guy’s a grown man and is still called BILLY. Game, set, match. Oh, er, William Pumperdink Corgan, it is now? Oh, all right. Sorted.

  • Hermione Granger

    she is bat-shit crazy, i know one when i see one.

  • Kevin

    Right around when D’Arcy had enough of Billy’s toxic bullshit is when things seriously took a dive. Adore was the start of things really diving. Machina was barely listenable. And anything after that was pretty well a bag of crap.

    Shock of shocks, the sycophant who shouted at his audience that he didn’t feel respected because people wanted to hear what made him a success in the first place is continuing to tank.

    D’Arcy’s better off. I know she’d love to see this happen, but she has the right attitude. She knows that it’ll be a toxic soup of bullshit and she wants no part of it. Good for her.

    • slickpoetry

      If you don’t like Adore, we have to fistfight.

      • Kevin

        Then fight we shall. I didn’t particularly enjoy it.

      • ClobberDobson

        Adore was genius and was actually a return to their roots pre-Gish.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      I have an anecdote about that. I was in Belgium and got tickets to his first show for FutureEmbrance. At some point someone shouted ‘play some pumpkins songs, we paid good money for this’ and goes on a FORTY MINUTE rant on how no one respects him. My date who couldn’t care less about SP or Billy got furious. This rant was up on Youtube for a while. If you manage to find Ghent – Belgium /FutureEmbrace you might take a glimpse of the foolishness.

      • Fey Wutt

        sooooooo embarrassing!

        • Dallas Drake

          Embarrassing for the fan yeah. What a moron. I didn’t want to hear any Pumpkin songs and why on earth would you buy tickets expecting that.

          • Tilman Müller

            Embarrasing for Dallas Drake, YEAH.
            Get back to the pool to learn drowning.

    • Fey Wutt

      yup.

      • Kevin

        Wow. Never expected you to show and read my comment(s). But, always nice to see it.

        I really admired your work, and the band during a more cohesive era. (Or what looked like it to teenaged me, at the time.) I’m sorry that this silliness has happened and that it’s hurtful, to be sure. But like I said, I think that you know you’re better off. If I’m sorry for anybody right now, it’s all these hangers on to Billy who were promised great things as the tour’s tickets continue to sell rather poorly.

        Hope life after the biz has treated you well!

        • Fey Wutt

          I’m quite well!!! Thank you! As you and i keep saying:

          I dodged a bullet this time!

        • Felina Medina

          lol

    • Fey Wutt

      word.

      one of us would not live through it this time-
      -i would …

  • Stiv Bators Ghost

    Maybe Eric Avery can fill the bass spot. Or Michael Anthony.

    • FUQ LIBS

      Maybe John Entwhistle’s corpse could play with Corgan.

      • Stiv Bators Ghost

        Corgan’s into necrophilia?

        • USN1979

          How do you think he went bald?

          • Dallas Drake

            You seen his dad?

  • John Russelman

    I just don’t see any bass player as being that important to a band like the smashing pumpkins…She’s like Soundgarden’s Hiro or Jason Eversman…

  • reality

    I love that D’arcy completely and totally took the wind out of Belly, I mean, Billy’s sails for the announcement of the FAKE reunion tomorrow.

    His bassist from the last run and Jeff remain the most boring guys ever on stage. Poor James is just padding the retirement fund. Oh well, can’t wait to see the “arena tour” end up on Groupon.

    • Fey Wutt

      GROUPON!!!!
      😂

    • John Scott

      The Indianapolis show is well under 50% sold, so it’s definitely going to get heavily discounted – as are other venues. Sadly, I bought tickets on day one, not knowing it was a D’arcy-less tour. I should have paid more attention.

    • Dallas Drake

      Oh yeah Darcy and James were so exciting on stage. Jeffs a great musician and that shows your bias. Nicole was twice the bassist and three times the singer Darcy was

      • Tilman Müller

        Your bias says: you are not only a hundred times, but 100% an idiot.

  • ManInTheOrangeSuit

    That was the worst written article I’ve seen in a long time. The cohesion and flow was inept and ineffectual. How unfortunate, it’s an interesting story, yet after reading that, I came away with whiplash and confusion.

  • Danny

    If I was D’arcy I would have agreed to the 22/22/22/34 split but I would have worn a T-shirt at every gig with that printed across the front. It’s amusing that Billy Corgan doesn’t seem to realise in the internet age people are going to find out about this stuff and mock you for it.

    • Fey Wutt

      I did agree to it.

    • John Scott

      He pulled the offer after she agreed to the tour, but I agree with your t-shirt idea.

  • Josh

    I don’t think it matters whether D’arcy’s playing is or isn’t on the Pumpkins’ old albums.

    She was a creative force in the band, was a fan favorite, and was a huge part of their stage show during their 90s heyday — the exact era that Billy’s trying to cash in on now. The Pumpkins –live and on record — weren’t same after she left.

    I agree that this interview makes D’arcy seem a little scattered, but it’s crazy to me that Billy, who clearly needs the money, didn’t try harder to get her back into the band. The Pumpkins’ “comeback” has been going on for like 10 years now with bad albums, borderline hostile tours, and a revolving lineup. Adding one original member and calling it a “reunion” seems pretty crass and hypocritical for a guy who’s constantly talking shit about other musicians.

    Is Billy even self-aware anymore?

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      “Is Billy even self-aware anymore?” Was he ever?

    • Dallas Drake

      Billy needs the money? He just purchased a flailing wrestling outfit. The guy will be paid the rest of his life considering the number of times he’s on the radio everyday across the world. Wise up

      • Tilman Müller

        YES, Billy bought a wrestling cash cow last year. Best investment for his twilight years…

  • s1aver

    Thanks D’arcy. It takes a lot of courage to offer up this level of transparency. Especially considering this will probably mean even further exclusion. I think you’re right to say enough is enough, you can’t live in fear forever. It was really nice to finally hear your side of things.

    Sounds like Billy was stringing you along he just wants you as an ornament to help sell the new stuff and not a real reunion. I really hate it when people don’t just say what they mean. I’m surprised some people can look at the texts and think Billy was doing anything other than backpedaling and looking for excuses.

  • Daniel Johnson

    One of those interviews about a conflict where someone is getting to tell their side of the story, uninterrupted, and the more they talk the more they seem like the one in the wrong. What a poisonous tirade of non sequiturs. It’s especially off putting the way she can’t answer direct questions like “what was your role in such and such album.” Or the time the interviewer tried in vain to ask for the tenth time, why didn’t you guys just get in a room together? and she launched into a description of her heritage and physical strength and eating habits.

    • ClobberDobson

      She sounds pretty insufferable herself.

      • Albert Maier

        Match made in heaven?! I find her amusing though.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      she answered those questions.

      (I don’t like ANY of the 4 members, so I have no bias here.)

      when ONE PERSON is a “boss” over the others, there is NO WAY TO GET THE BOSS TO BE HONEST NOR SMART.

      Ego is a dangerous monster.

      She had NO POWER to get all 4 in a room. Only Billy did.

      • Daniel Johnson

        Where did she answer?

        • Christof Sieksbi

          oh, well she explained pretty much everything, EXCEPT she didn’t directly answer those questions about WHICH TUNES SHE EXACTLY PLAYED ON, but that’s moot. (It’s literally irrelevant to the entire issue IF she played or Billy played her parts.)

          I don’t think she came off as EVASIVE. most people digress and so on. didn’t she at one point ask “what was the questions again?”

          • Daniel Johnson

            I don’t feel like we read the same interview. And how are her musical contributions to the classic records irrelevent? If she played on “tons of stuff” then name one. Just one. I’ve heard stories about classic albums where the drums or bass were replaced in secret without the player knowing. And the reason they couldn’t tell the difference is because they weren’t that talented. Poor musicians are that way because they can’t hear the difference. Her lack of artistic ownership of her supposed creation calls it into question.

            I get the feeling that when billy formed the band he was a talented guy insecure about his coolness and hired in two lesser/low-talent cool kids that looked great on stage and in posters for the image factor. Now all these years later he needs the gimmick of the reunion for relevancy and cash and he’s wrestling with another devil’s bargain.

          • johnniealpha

            I don’t think she was intentionally evasive but she seems to have a difficult time staying on page. I remember the call she made a few years back to a radio station, she was all over the place. It’s pretty clear her and Billy have a major clash of personalities, when it comes to work. Corgan is a prolific writer and very much into the song-production side of things. D’arcy is totally laid back. The issues really started on Siamese Dream with Corgan having to record all the individual guitar and bass tracks, due to James and D’arcy struggling to do so. There was delays, pressure from the label and Butch Vig asked Billy to lay the tracks down, as he was the most capable of doing so. It was supposed to stay secret but James blurted it out as he was obviously unhappy. It caused a lot of resentment, with James and D’arcy feeling underappreciated and I’m guessing a lot of passive-aggressive vibes sent at Corgan. Billy, for his part I think grew annoyed at what he saw as a lack of professionalism and work ethic from the other two. It’s noticeable they never worked with Vig again and went with Flood for the next 3 albums. But the band dynamic had already fractured by then.

          • Gabriel Bianchi

            To be honest, looking back to the whole thing and the text messages she made public, it kinda sounds like he’s never happy with anyone’s job and thinks himself irreplaceable. It could be that they were doing their jobs just fine but he’s too much of a control freak to let it be what it will be. He’s an excellent musician I don’t deny that, but look at how he talks to her all fuzzy about enjoying and no pressure on the tour and then right after begins substituting the lax vibe with several demands that negates all his previews promises. This behavior alone makes me think he might have given them leeway to to their thing and then demanded them based on his megalomania. It must have been a nightmare to be around this type of Diva.

          • Dallas Drake

            Well stated. Bravo.

          • Fey Wutt

            a LOT happened over many years.

            I never spoke about any of it in hopes that things could be healed.

            They couldn’t be healed and i get a bit more than a bit carried away and off topic.

            I’m pretty much a spaz anyway.

            seriously.

          • Aragon131

            You have to write a book. You must.

          • Dallas Drake

            It wouldn’t sell

          • Tilman Müller

            I’m sure it would sell better than Billy’s “Blinking Fists” of poetry…

            You have to sign me my copy of your book for this, D’arcy!

          • Dallas Drake

            Pretty much?

          • Tilman Müller

            Much drake?

  • drlarrymitchell

    Too bad she can’t play her instrument- otherwise, her argument might have some merit.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      Where in this interview does she claim she can’t play her instrument? She’s a classically trained musician, you just don’t forget how to play an instrument and it’s not like the Pumpkins songs are hard, they’re basic at best.

      • drlarrymitchell

        Billy Corgan re-recorded all her bass parts on every album. It’s not a secret.

        • Fey Wutt

          That is not true.

        • John Scott

          Drlarrymitchell knows everything, because he must have been there, right? Oh wait, he knows everything because he read it in an article. Meanwhile, D’arcy says she played, and she WAS there, so she WOULD know. Why isn’t that good enough for people?

          • Felina Medina

            just like the US president, an endless teller-of-truths.

      • Dallas Drake

        Doesn’t mean she was good

    • Looks like you know her, to have such info about her status as musician. Would you like to share it?

      • drlarrymitchell

        Billy Corgan re-recorded all her bass parts on every album. It’s not exactly a secret.

        • Fey Wutt

          it’s not true

        • John Scott

          I’d believe D’arcy before I believe someone who wasn’t there. She says she played, and that’s good enough for me.

        • Tilman Müller

          It’s not exactly a secret that you are telling here complete BULLSHIT.

    • FUQ LIBS

      Too bad you have no reading comprehension.

      • drlarrymitchell

        Wow, man, you’re right.
        Do me a favor, since I can’t read, tell me: who really played bass on those records?
        I’ll give you a hint: it’s not the hill you’ve chosen to die on.

      • drlarrymitchell

        In an A.P. profile that was published about the Smashing Pumpkins, guitarist James Iha and bass guitarist D’arcy Wretzky informed the writer that Billy Corgan played all of the instruments on the band’s recordings.

        • Fey Wutt

          not true

          • Fernando Ramires

            Don’t get me wrong, but that’s not only Billy’s word.

            Butch Vig (and his assistant) stated on his oboard that you didn’t record any basslines on Gish or Siamese Dream, even though he thinks you were important on the process.

            Flood also said that you recorded very little on Machina and whatever you recorded had to be redone as they changed everything on the album after you left the band in 99.

          • John Scott

            Which is probably why Machina isn’t that good. It always felt incomplete too me – like it needed something more.

          • Tilman Müller

            Don’t get me wrong, but you’re telling BULLSHIT too, like drblablatroll.
            Butch Vig in his own words:
            “Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. If you ever saw them live, they’re all badass players, but Billy Corgan is a better guitar player than James, and he’s a better bass player than D’arcy.“
            “We would track a song, and we would record it trying to make sure we had a really good feel for it, but primarily I was listening to make sure we got a killer drum take by Jimmy Chamberlin.“
            “Then we would usually go back and overdub everything, and Billy was just better at redoing the guitars and bass. On both [1991’s] ‘Gish’ and [1993’s] ‘Siamese Dream,’ D’arcy and James played a little bit, but it’s over 90% Billy, because he’s a phenomenal musician.“
            “There was conflict – I think the band felt like, ‘We are good enough to do it.’ Like I said, D’arcy and James are amazing musicians. There were times when I would sit in the studio and give them the time to do that, and I would say at the end of the day, you can track a part, but I think Billy’s going to want to come in, and I want to see if he can beat it. So at least they had an opportunity to do that.“
            “There were some times I chose D’arcy’s part, or James, over Billy’s. To say there was conflict in that band, that’s not the only reason there was conflict. There were a lot of things pulling at Smashing Pumpkins. Somehow I made it through two album cycles with them. They were always on the verge of imploding.”

          • Fernando Ramires

            There was a Q&A with Butch Vig and his assistant a while ago and they clearly said James and Darcy recorded little to nothing on SD. He couldn’t remember if Darcy did any of the bass, and said that James played on Mayo only basically.

            That Q&A was on his o-board, I’ll try to recover it.

          • Fernando Ramires

            Here

            “It is pretty well known that Billy played most of the guitars on SD. He played bass on every song but “Luna” I believe.

            My opinion as to why, is that Billy knew pretty much what he wanted. In all fairness to James and D’arcy, there is no way to get inside someone else’s head and play exactly what they envision. I also don’t think that they were as prepared for the record as Billy. Again this is just my opinion. I am sure Butch can elaborate more on this.

            We did track all songs as a band with the exception of some “B” sides. Billy would go in after we had the final drum edit and put the bass, guitars and vocals on. I recall we would work on 2 songs at a time and get them to about 80% before tracking more basics.”

          • Tilman Müller

            You are referring to an interview with Butch Vig and Jeff Tomei on the website “gearslutz” from June 2009.
            https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-a-with-butch-vig/398145-1993-smashing-pumpkins-siamese-dream.html
            They were only talking there about “Siamese Dream”, not “Gish”.
            The comment you mention is from Jeff Tomei, what he believed to remind about D’arcy’s and James contribution.
            Also Butch Vigs comments go deeper into details. To say D’arcy contributed nothing at these recordings is definitely wrong.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8o0-sndTBs

          • Fernando Ramires

            I probably have a few other interviews where they mention Darcy didn’t record much on Gish either. I’m talking about what they did in studio while recording those 2 albums, that doesn’t mean she didn’t contributed to the band and I’m not saying that.

            Here’s what Flood said about her contribution to Machina:

            “Sadly Darcy’s presence on Machina declined over the first 3 months of recording. This meant we had to completely rethink and redo everything. James did play some of the bass tracks”. Billy also recorded some, and only a few songs from the initial process survived.

          • Tilman Müller

            In your first post you told, D’arcy contributed nothing on bass to the Gish and Siamese Dream recordings, which is wrong. They also played the songs first as a band and Corgan could still have used her basslines for his recordings.
            D’arcy didn’t show up much after the Arising!-tour, but many recordings were already done. She still was enough involved that she got her gold record from the R.I.A.A..
            A recording session overview until 2008:
            https://www.emusician.com/gear/signal-to-noise-the-sonic-diary-of-the-smashing-pumpkins

          • Fernando Ramires

            I didn’t say she didn’t contribute, I said she didn’t record – they are different things. Recording 1, 2 or 3 bass lines out of 2/3 albums is closer to nothing, you don’t need to take it literally, specially when you are the bass player.

          • Tilman Müller

            She did record Luna on Siamese Dream even according to Jeff Tomei, who’s comment about her contributions was vague, telling he BELIEVED to remember.

          • Fernando Ramires

            Cause she might have recorded all the songs but weirdly he only remembers one. Right.

          • Tilman Müller

            YES, strangely they did recording sessions even with the whole band playing. And recorded not only the songs for the already known album tracks, but a few tracks more.

          • Tilman Müller

            How about a statistic of every other bass player beside D’arcy, having been involved on Smashing Pumpkins records. To prove they were better than her.

    • Fey Wutt

      haters be hatin.

      • Dallas Drake

        You were terrible. Billy even had to call you out on stage a few times.

        • Tilman Müller

          That’s why she still was eleven years in the band?
          The one who’s terrible here is you. Definitely…

          • Dallas Drake

            Not a boning your mom

          • Tilman Müller

            Drake must have a raked mom fixation.

    • Tilman Müller

      Too bad you have an insane looking avatar. Says a lot about YOUR merits, false doctor…

  • David Henretta

    sounds like to me she’s a mental case…bring on the new Pumpkins!!!

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      As opposed to what? Billy “I see Shapeshifting Reptilian” Corgan? D’arcy seems very sane to me calling him out on his bullshit.

  • CallingItLikeISeeIt

    Someone much wiser than I said “There are three Truths. Yours, mine and the Real Truth.” Somewhere in this saga there is indeed the Real Truth and it may never be known. What I can say is this. The albums that the original members of the Pumpkins recorded are full of music I want to hear again and again. The music Billy (sorry….William) recorded later, with just about anyone else, I didn’t want to hear more than once. Having said that, his solo album – practically just WPC and a piano – has a few great moments on it, although when I hear the songs I think “DAMN, these would sound FANTASTIC as full-on Pumpkins songs.” I’d probably buy a new “Smashing Pumpkins” album if it had James and Jimmy on it, but I don’t think I’d throw a hundred and fifty bucks to sit front and center of a show where I didn’t see D’Arcy on stage. Call me sentimental. But that feeling is precisely what Corgan is counting on to sell tickets. That group of mid to late 40-somethings who can afford to throw that kind of cash to see what is now a nostalgia-fest. That, and the possibility of the Pumpkins getting into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame in the next few years. That’s my take on it – as just another slightly cynical Gen X music fan.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      Just read what other musicians who had worked with Billy had to say about him (Zwan I’m looking at you) and you’ll figure D’acry is mostly telling the real truth here. It’s not like this was a secret. He fires people left and right and thinks he’s some fucking unique genius. Plus can’t you really see him validating Mozart to classically trained musicians? He’s always been that fucking clueless.

      • Christof Sieksbi

        but aren’t all these jerks SOCIETY’S FRANKENSTEIN MONSTER?

        EVERYONE is teilling Corgan, or Axl Rose, or Harvey Weinstein, that they are KINGS AND GODS who can Do No Wrong.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          I concede that as a 15 year teen I might’ve been kind of responsible for inflating Billy’s ego. I’m an adult now and know better, though.

      • Fernando

        Depends on the musicians you ask: David Pajo, Wretzky? Of course. Linda Strawberry, Dave Navarro, Bernard Sumner? Not so much it seems.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          Didn’t Nicole Fiorentino say he was a nightmare to work with and was baffled when she was fired even though she was the most social-media engaged person in the band?

          • Fernando

            She said she didn’t understand why she was fired, but has always refrained from attacking him in the press. Which is what mature people do.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      Confuscius said it better:

      “there are two sides to every story, and BOTH of them are wrong.”

      Trump is a lying liar, and Hillary is a lying liar.

    • Dallas Drake

      The group won’t make HOF. Maybe Billy

      • Tilman Müller

        They don’t want Billy even to do speeches there anymore. After his weird selfpromotion with a picture of his last recording on the back of the paper he spoke from, at the induction of Pink Floyd.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctEzn4FAzY

  • ClobberDobson

    A friend of mine related to me a funny story about how he ran into Billy at a show circa ’91 or ’92 and not knowing who was who and that Billy was a man, said to him, “Hey D’arcy!” The look Billy gave him was pure death.

  • Gabriel Bianchi

    Man, this is a huge mess. We’re back in the 90s again. I totally love it. 😂

  • APH

    Might this not all just be one great big joke and PR stunt? Like the build-up to some big wrestling match with the associated drama, back and forth, tension, etc? They turn it all into a short film (released when the countdown clock gets to zero), the music scored by Iha, D’arcy doing a bit of acting, etc. It would be brilliant, it would have synergies with Corgan’s whole wrestling activities, etc. What does #carefulwhatyouwishfor mean anyway?

    I mean, they’ve had c. two years to reconnect, etc. You don’t organise and negotiate and plan a reunion and tour over a bunch of text messages. How could these people have not gotten together around a table in that time period? All four are smarter than that. They know they can’t afford to f*ck this (the reunion) up a second time – it’s sort of their last chance for the “Smashing Pumpkins” moniker to be taken seriously.

    If on the other hand, that’s all wishful thinking and this blow up is all legit, then my God. How can these people be so stupid and shortsighted. I’ll be done with this band forever.

    • Fey Wutt

      Like i said: I kept my mouth shut for years because I thought we could heal this I really hoped we could and I tried my best.

      I’m also very disappointed.

      • Dallas Drake

        Yeah right. You didn’t say shit cuz you needed a paycheck

        • Tilman Müller

          You don’t need to say “shit”. It is already spewing out of your mouth…
          Got a paycheck from Billy for trolling?

          • Dallas Drake

            Quit spewing in Darcy’s mouth

          • Tilman Müller

            Only in her mouth would be too lame…

  • Gabriel Bianchi

    This interview just proves to me Billy is a megalomaniac asshole, which is sad, because the SP is my all time favorite band to this day. I can absolutely see his diva persona validating Mozart to classically trained musicians because he is that fucking clueless. I used to fell sorry for him that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ignored them for decades but now I’m kinda happy they did, as a punishment for his being a total jerk. So sad. I won’t be supporting this tour.

  • Felina Medina

    Such a cop out to blame your various shitty life-choices on Corgan.

    • Christof Sieksbi

      lazy thinking, on your part.

      • Felina Medina

        lazy read of history, on your part.

        • Gabriel Bianchi

          I don’t know how old you are, but if you were alive during the 90s you’d know that Corgan, Butch Vig and even Flood had publicly stated that D’arcy was instrumental in shaping the sound of the band and that she played in the albums. No one is rewriting history, this has been out for 20 years.

          • Dallas Drake

            Wrong. Butch convinced Billy to play her parts because the recording was moving at a snails pace and they were way over deadline

          • Tilman Müller

            Says the man, who was in the control room. While Billy wanted to do another guitar overdub…

  • Fernando

    This was very funny and interesting to read, but very sad at a personal level. Between the vindictive rage, obvious contradictions and failure to answer the most important questions (whether for choice or impossibility to do so, don’t know), this comes as terrible as Corgan’s interviews during the 20th Anniversary tour and his 30-minute renditions of Gossammer (great song when kept under 10 minutes).

    On another note, she defends her classical musician formation as a very important part of her background, but I fail to see where that contribution was, composition-wise. I didn’t expect her to play long bass solos like in Tribute to Johnny, but SP had very few interesting basslines back in the day- and even live she would.sometimes be blatantly out of sync with the band.

    • Maybe because Mr. Corgan was Mr.-Owner-of-the-Band? Because he used to “ok, let’s redo everything she did” based in his out of control paranoid perfectionism?

      Contradictions are not that hard to understand. First she says they weren’t really friends, and later says she enjoyed their “friendship” obviously talking about their time together. I only agree she kind of dodged the question about how much time she doesn’t play the bass.

      • Fernando

        That didn’t seem to stop Nicole Florentino from creating memorable basslines for songs such as Lightning Strikes, Panopticon and others. But let’s give Corgan the benefit of doubt (which is something not many people here seem willing to afford, btw) and assume he changed his ways and really prevented D’arcy from making any relevant impact back in the day… that doesn’t seem very logical when you remember how he used to complain about her not putting her share in the band’s songwriting, most (in)famously in Vieuphoria.

        But still, let’s go with that. Even when live, her contributions were very much limited to stand there and play her instrument as best as she could, which was not always very consistent anyway. Not much difference with a support player, isn’t it? Except for her being D’arcy Wretzky, of course.

        • Dallas Drake

          Don’t forget terrible backup vocals live.

          • SteveWilmos

            Like James’ Mickey Mouse harmonies, right? If you’re going to talk about backup vocals, and not mention James… you’re clearly trolling with a specific purpose.

        • SteveWilmos

          You want to talk about consistent? I’ve endured the bootlegs since the early 90s. Otherwise great performances destroyed by lead vocals, and James on occasion would get annoying with the lazy noodling.

          BC’s voice has gotten better live on one hand (yet worse recorded…Vig had his work cut out for him to make those first two records), and Jeff adds quite a bit to their sound live where there are finally listenable versions of the older songs.

          But if you’re going to go back “in the day”? That’s not even talking about the ten minute rants or 20 minute noodly jam sessions that never got off the ground or through the wall of delay. You’d wish backing vocals were the problem.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      I personally think now, as an adult, that D’arcy’s contribution to the band (even Butch Vig and Corgan admitted she was instrumental to them) was actually her musicianship as a classically trained person. I also think the fact she knew more about music than Corgan might have been the biggest issue between the too.

      • Fey Wutt

        sure didn’t help.

        • Dallas Drake

          Oh yeah, someone who paid to learn music had issues with a self taught musician? What kinda backwards shit is that

          • Tilman Müller

            What kinda awkward shit is that again by the Dallas Drake drone.

    • Gabriel Bianchi

      She might be out of synch because she was high.

      • Fey Wutt

        Nope.

        Willy & Jimmy had NO METER.

        they were all over the place
        live and you could barely hear what was going on at all on stage.

        • Dallas Drake

          Wow. There you have it. Billy and Jimmy were the problem live. Bwahahahaha
          The worse thing about live performances in the nineties was the backing vocals. Oh wait that was you

          • Felina Medina

            ok Dallas, we get it, you don’t like D’arcy. “Cool”, but at this point you’re kinda overdoing it and coming off as a bit of a prat.

          • Tilman Müller

            May I correct you, dumb drake:
            The worse thing about live performances in the nineties was Corgan’s vocals. Oh wait, that was the genius that went mad if some hit the wrong note, EXCEPT FOR HIMSELF.

  • Christof Sieksbi

    SAD FACT:

    1
    Put ANY human in Billy’s position, and they will become a JERK, drunk on power and ego.

    (It’s WHY all our fave bands break up.)

    (It’s not even all bad: ex: it may be GOOD that Billy did most of the bass parts, just as it was GOOD that McCartney took over the Beatles in 1966 afer John wanted out. The other 3 Beatles say Paul became insufferable…”cuz he was almost always right”!) (YIKES!)

    2
    FEMALES are wired very differently from men.

    EX:
    women REWRITE their memories, more often than they don’t.

    (WOMEN have flawless memories — when it’s a slight they will NEVER FORGET — but the rest of the time, their memories are the worst.) (Even worse than dumb males!)

  • a to zed

    I met Billy in 1991 when he was still playing clubs in chicago and married to Chris, his first wife. He was a narcissistic abusive creep back then and clearly it never changed. His first wife left him because he was abusive. …what a prick.

    • Felina Medina

      so glad you started an entirely new account just to drop that ‘truth bomb’ LOL

  • Max Ivanov

    this is so heartbreaking…

    • FUQ LIBS

      Age is a Bear.

  • Don Jaun Demarco

    D’arcy. You sound like a ungrateful douschebag. Billy gave you a fucking career and a way to express yourself that your multi-directional, multi-personality, contradicting crazy ass. You said you never had a friendship with billy, than go onto to say You realy enjoyed your friendship with billy! You sound like a nutcase and you make no sense at all, stop txting people, go out and fucking figure shit out sister, youre acting like everybodies the fucking problem yet ever notice you can walk into the recording studio, into jimmys place, billys place, whats stopping you? THE NARRATIVE THAT YOURE NOT WELCOMED LOOOOOOOL? You sound lik ea 5 year old girl, you played bass, bass on the album! Sorry did you want to be the lead singer??? Billy fronted a band you could never set sail on your own because your so fucking pent up in your head about everything that you just contradict everything. Good god,billy this billy that, they never this , you sound like you just wanted this whole thing to be about you, when billy said the fans want you, this is about you, IT IS. Youre making this entire thing about your insecurity towards your bias life that you lived, suck it the fuck up and get on the stage. Sometimes i wish they picked anybody but you for the basslines because we couldve found anybody to be grateful enough for a life to live in a succesful band. You act like you couldve done the 30 thigns billy did the entire time of smashing, you plugged in a godamn bass and bitched and moaned about your anxiety, your panic attacks. People are poor homeless living on the godamn street with 5 dollars and youre freaking out whether or not you’ll step foot into somebody elses vicinity to prove dominance. You sound like the problem

    • Fey Wutt

      i never said shit for 30 years.

      now i defend myself and i’m a whiny baby?

      Don’t like it? Don’t read it.

      I have every right to tell
      “my truth” especially
      (as Billy puts it) since i WAS the “moral compass of the band” and also because
      (as Billy put it so many times)

      I fucking walk my talk.

      • Evan Jones II

        Yes, D’Arcy, you have a voice and message.
        I, along with many other SP loyal fans, are very disappointed and upset about the antics and the manner you were treated.
        I still love the music your band created, that can never be taken away, nor the memories.

        • Dallas Drake

          A lot of fans are upset that she’s chosen to deal with this stupid shit in the press. She’s sound wacko

          • Evan Jones II

            That’s your own opinion….Buster Brown up Billy’s buttole DD…
            Too bad what goes around comes around….😝💩

          • Dallas Drake

            Yeah and you’re tryna no to bone Darcy. Ain’t gonna happen

          • Evan Jones II

            And you’re trying to blow Billy Wonka….get lost…loser

          • Dallas Drake

            Go join the circus with your clown friend

          • Evan Jones II

            Is that how you want Billy Wonka to dress when you blow him…?

          • Dallas Drake

            Your mom blows me

          • Evan Jones II

            Boy, are you a Sickie! She’s 96 years old….some mind you display, go back to your basement

          • Tilman Müller
          • Tilman Müller

            You ARE wacko. So better shut up!

          • SteveWilmos

            Spotted the narcissistic fckwit no one can stand to be around because he’s so god damned smart and powerful – a legend in his own mind. You want to talk about stupid shit in the press? There’s a laughing stock in pumpkintown that provided a solid decade of “stupid shit” that could fill up a bible. It sounds edgy and oh so rational at first glance to the alternative knowledge podcast crowd, then if you break it down you see what it is.

            The dude has literally never been able to keep a stable relationship with anyone he’s worked with (no wonder you relate so hard), but her one interview in decades has you crying crazy? The one person from the band who doesn’t talk like they are locked down on an NDA or megalomaniac who alienated everyone. I know who the real “shapeshifter” is (and it ain’t Dennis Rodman or Prince).

            I know having people be able to see behind the curtain for the first time can be pretty turbulent when all that tornadic reality comes rushing through, but have some tea… it will be okay.

          • Evan Jones II

            oh!
            but SOOO MANY
            people DO.

            people are crazy:

            bitching me out because i wouldn’t do what Willy wanted me to do.
            What he wanted me to do was LIE.

            … which is weird because he know’s me better than that.

            He’s said it countless times publicly how he respects me for sticking to my guns, being honest, being the “moral compass of the band and keeping it together (until he forced me to leave)

            From her OWN comment

      • Dallas Drake

        Yeah , you were the moral compass but never spoke up. Sounds like it was just about the money

        • Tilman Müller

          You definitely are NO moral compass and speak up only out and about here for the fun

          • Dallas Drake

            Pot meet kettle

          • Tilman Müller

            You sound like a kettle being on pot.

    • Fey Wutt

      My god!!!

      You got everything right with the name!

      you’re talking about Billy.

      (can anyone say groupie?)

  • Gustavo S.

    I think the most tragic part of this whole situation is to see that, thanks to all his egocentrisms, insecurities, manipulations, etc. Billy Corgan essentially sabotaged, even ruined D’Arcy’s future as a musician. Sure, the ultimate choice is hers, but he clearly had a very negative influence in her abandonment of Music career. I am quite sure if he wasn’t so corrosive, cruel with her she would have her own musical projects until nowadays.
    Hopefully she’ll be finally able to be motivated enough to make a musical project of her own.

    • Dallas Drake

      Laughable. What is Billy god? He has no control over any of that shit. You probably blame other for your life so you believe this to be plausible

      • Gustavo S.

        Laugh alone, bye.

        • Dallas Drake

          Convincing reply

          • Tilman Müller

            Dallas Blocked

  • Heather Campbell

    Great interview! I watched Corgan do Rogan’s podcast and realised he’s the same schmuck he’s always been. Also, *gymnast

    • MJ

      Agreed. There was a part in the podcast where “Hmm he actually sounds humble.” Then he said something like “Oh people can’t believe that when I say something dumb, I’m saying it on purpose so that they just think I’m saying something dumb.”
      I rolled my eyes so hard it made a noise.

      • Fey Wutt

        That noise? Nearly made me deaf!!! cause my eyes rolled like that too for
        DECADES!!!!

  • Redlion

    I never leave comments on posts but I felt compelled to do so this time…..I doubt that Billy will respond to recent comments by D’arcy because he’s above that…..he’s coming from a place of love, not fear……and he will not disparage D’arcy and feed into the drama……although nobody needs to defend Billy, I felt like I needed to speak out as a dedicated and devoted fan for 25+ years…..I don’t claim to have all the facts……this is just my two cents worth and take it at face value…… after reading this article and the comments below, I couldn’t help but wonder how many comments were posted by D’arcy under a pseudonym…..why hide behind a pseudonym…..you’re very opinionated and we want to hear your point of view….thank you for doing the interview…..there are three sides to every story……what he said, what she said, and what was really said…..D’arcy – from reading the texts between you and Billy, it’s obvious to me that he tried to involved you on some level with the SP reunion…..your replies to him were very short and could have been construed as not being seriously interested….D’arcy – it’s also apparent that you were (and still are) deeply hurt……you have resentment although you claim otherwise…..yes, you made contributions to the band……yes, you were part of the SP success story…..yes, the combination of musical talents transcended space and time and had a profound effect on many people including myself……but you should never think that you cannot be replaced….the band marches on with or without you…..in your interview, you come off as being the arrogant and egotistical one……Billy has done a lot of things musically since the band split up…..actions speak louder than words…..you have to understand that some band members may be reluctant to involve you in a major business deal…..yes, it is a business deal and the other band members don’t necessarily call all of the shots…..whoever is putting up the cash for the tour gets the final say so…..you know the business side albeit from 18 years ago……if I’m investing millions into a reunion tour, I’d have some reservations about having you involved…..nobody has heard you play in 18 years…..expectations are super-high……of course, all of the fans would love to see and hear you again….and we would love nothing more than to see the original band play together on the same stage again…..but the bottom line is that this is business and the band (and financial backers) have to do what is in the best interest of the tour to maximize success and minimize risk…..I see you as a wild card….if you really wanted to be involved, you should have offered (or insisted) to demo your skills and do a test trial with the rest of the band in the studio as a test……this would confirm whether or not you are up to the task and this would also determine if the dynamics and vibe is right where you can all connect like the old days to create pure musical magic…..you failed to put your best foot forward and to pro-actively embrace the opportunity…..yes, this was an opportunity…..you are not entitled to be involved just because you were an original band member….you certainly earned your stripes back then……but things have changed….there’s a lot on the line with the reunion tour…..it’s not unreasonable to think that the band and investors think you may have gotten a bit rusty after 18 years…..you could’ve proved them wrong by simply doing what you’ve done best on the bass guitar…..I don’t mean to take anything away from you….you deserve credit for all of your past contributions…..however, you really need to let things go…..you are holding onto a lot of negative emotions which will only continue to effect your present and future…..is it too far-fetched to think that Billy may have changed over the past 18 years…..your perspective about Billy from 18 years ago is being projected on the new and improved Billy of today….as time goes on, we all change (hopefully for the better)…..the drama and negativity that you’ve created in order to set the record straight does nothing but distance you even more from the band….even if you really wanted to be involved, at this stage I can understand if the invitation has been rescinded…..why would other band members want to be surrounded by your negativity….the chaos will not be conducive to creativity……nobody wants to be trapped on tour with someone that harbors the kind of resentment that you do…..either you put the past in the past and look forward towards the future as you move forward…..or you hang onto the past and let it weigh you down so that you’re always stuck in the past…..keeping an open mind and dreaming about the future is much better than ruminating on the past which does no good…..it seems like you’re putting Billy down to lift yourself up….to attack Billy on a professional and especially on a personal level is wrong……to share his private texts with the public is not right and is disrespectful…..what exactly are you trying to prove…..we love you D’arcy…..we also love Billy, James, and Jimmy……it hurts us to see this decades old feud playing itself out in the media….. yes, I understand that you’re hurt but there’s no need to air dirty laundry or throw mud….what will that accomplish…..fans that love Billy will continue to love Billy no matter what you say…..people are not perfect……we have all made mistakes…..we all have our own quirks……your expose has done nothing but alienate you further from fans and other band members…..if you didn’t or couldn’t be involved in the reunion tour, you could have gracefully opted out and kept your dignity intact……something tells me that deep down you didn’t really want to be involved…..I’m not sure why but I can speculate (which I won’t do here)…..if that’s the case, why put the blame on Billy…..if you really wanted to be involved, you could have done more…..a couple of short texts saying that you want to be involved in everything is not enough…..if I were you, I would have asked for a specific date/time/place to meet with everyone that has a vested interest in the reunion tour…..you waiting for a phone call from Billy to beg you to join the reunion tour is not gonna happen…if you really want it, you have to put in the effort to make it happen….. communication is key…..from reading the texts you shared with everyone, Billy did a much better job in communicating than you did…..you came off as kinda nonchalant and flippant which is not the kind of impression that you want to give with the prospect of doing a huge reunion tour after 18 years…..D’arcy, although I don’t know all of the details and I can never know exactly what you went through and what you may be going through, I know what pain and hurt feels like…..please try to let go of the past for your own sake……and focus on yourself……you do you…..we love you no matter what…..there is enough love and abundance for everyone…..as I sit here listening to Gish, it still invokes so many emotions and memories….understandably, the music has evolved somewhat over the years and will continue to evolve…..each SP album (and beyond with other incarnations) has marked a different chapter in my life…..SP has been and will always be my #1 for eternity…..I sincerely thank you for the blood, sweat, tears, and energy that you put into SP and I sincerely wish you the very best with all of your personal and professional endeavors…..I’m sending you love and light and I pray that you will find the peace, forgiveness, and happiness that’s necessary to heal your heart, body, mind, and spirit…..

  • Robert Gray

    i don’t know how much is true but i saw the arrest reports and the crack abuse was killing her ,
    and I imagine Billy can be a pain but she never owns up to her faults and people only tell the story how they remember it but to say she never was an addict is kind of a joke.

    I think the other members had every right to be concerned that she might not be stable enough to participate .

    its a shame because i really wanted a chance to see them reunited but like Led Zeppelin its never going to happen .

    But as screwed up as she was I hope her claims to be clean and sober are true we have lost way too many talented people of late .

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjj4JeBt6vZAhVL_WMKHTTaDQ0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tmz.com%2F2011%2F02%2F10%2Fsmashing-pumpkins-bassist-darcy-wretzky-jailed-arrested-horses-farm-michigan-ticket-failure-to-appear-bench-warrant%2F&psig=AOvVaw3OPPzy13Fr7zfftWF6N0Yr&ust=1518904672228924

    • Fey Wutt

      That was a false arrest.

      Complete BS and it took the judge about 3 minutes to realize it.

      • Tilman Müller

        False arrest because your friend Jeff made the mistake of the running out horses?

      • Robert Gray

        Well I hope you are doing well and wish you the best ……you could learn something from Kim Deal and go on with your life and let go of the bitterness .
        You were a part of one of the greatest bands of all time and the fact you and Billy can no longer work together in no way diminishes what you accomplished..

        Good luck with your life and thanks for the music you made that enhanced my life

        Robbie

    • Dallas Drake

      She was clearly the biggest risk

      • Tilman Müller

        You are clearly the DUMBEST troll

        • Dallas Drake

          Your moms the dumbest whore

          • Tilman Müller

            Your mom liked to do duck and cover with the whole neighborhood.

  • mrpuma2u

    Good for D’ARCY! Real talk about all the shady shit and she sounds like the real deal who got hosed by the biz in so many ways. Thankful she survived, got clean and healthy and strong, and is saying what needs to be said, without Billy’s influence or intimidation tactics.

    • Fey Wutt

      Thank you!

  • Great interview. It’s quite sad that whatever discrepancies, miscommunications, bemiscommunication, with D’Arcy and Billy can’t be squashed all in the name of letting bygones be bygones. So many musicians have passed away over the last 10 years alone that you would think it be enough motivation to try and make things right because at the end we all are not promised tomorrow. Everyday we wake up is a blessing and it counts to make the most out of that day.

    I want for D’Arcy to continue doing what names her happy in life and just do her. If she has gotten to the point where as gifted as she is playing multiple instruments, she no longer feels the need to make and play music then that’s her right. I just hope that her no longer making and creating music is truly on her terms and not because of Billy. For me it’s just not The Smashing Pumpkins of there’s no D’Arcy. Melissa Auf Der Maur was a great replacement and she’d be the only with the current lineup I would even consider paying to see. Everything else just feels like a tribute band. I’ll always support a Corbin album and Pumpkins album of new material but that’s as far as I’m going. You’d think in 2018 after all these musicians and celebrities that’s passed we’d see more bands bury the hatchet. Not picking sides folks but this type of stuff sure is making me numb.

  • Billy send her another Text that says we want you there… get your ass on a plane…. be at such and such studios for rehearsal at such and such time. Pick the dates you want to play and the songs… Everything from this date on starts a new. Great things ahead if you embrace it. love you always Billy.

    Then put on a hell of show and maybe even create something new along the way!

    • Fey Wutt

      only in our dreams.

  • Lukalost

    One thing about D’Arcy she is very witty. I wish her well, and I hope she understands how much her fans love her.

    • Fey Wutt

      Thank you sir!

  • drfager

    The more she talks the more flakey and incoherent she appears. Billy seems right to be hesitant. None of the text messages from him seem unreasonable at all given the situation.

  • Jo Mama

    The fact that she actually thought giving this interview was somehow a good idea just proves how nuts she is.

    • Tilman Müller

      The fact, how nuts you are to dislike her to talk at all, proves, that your mama had no good idea in becoming one.

      • Dallas Drake

        Good one

        • Tilman Müller

          The Dallas Bloke again…
          Your mama was a troll.

          • Dallas Drake

            Your mom trolls this dvck

          • Tilman Müller

            My mom invites you to Thanksgiving.
            The knives already look shiny and oh so bright…

    • Dallas Drake

      Exactly.

    • SteveWilmos

      What kind of hypocrite are you, bot for brains? How many trainwreck interviews has your buddy given over the last 20 years? She isn’t the one teasing the public with sightings of “shapeshifting” celebrities in case there’s a chance of writing a book.

  • John Scott

    The rotator cuff “injury” just sounds fabricated – and I suspect that D’arcy probably never leaves her farm these days. It’s a shame because I think she’s a very good bass player, and the tour won’t be the same without her. However, if she wants to hide from the world, that’s her decision in the end.

    • Fey Wutt

      why should i lie about an injury?

      I live and work on a farm.

      Besides, it’s healed.

      i TOLD Billy it wouldn’t be an issue.

      It made absolutely no difference to him.

      • John Scott

        I believe you, and apologize for the comment. Pure ignorance on my part, mostly caused by frustration about the situation Billy put you in. I wanted to see a reunion as much as you wanted to participate in one.

        • Fey Wutt

          Thank you.
          I appreciate the apology.

      • John Scott

        I think my reply disappeared, so I’ll post it again. D’arcy, I apologize for my comment last month regarding your shoulder. I was ignorant of the facts and frustrated about the situation between you and Billy. I believe you, and I feel just terrible for questioning you on this. I truly think you are the heart and soul of the band – and have always spoke the truth – so I shouldn’t have questioned your integrity. Please accept my apology.

        • Fey Wutt

          absolutely.

          Billy does himself no favors by telling the public repeatedly that i was the moral compass of the band and i walk my talk- and now i do something that pisses him off and he starts calling me a liar?

          it doesn’t add up.

          That’s why he’s mostly kept his mouth shut lately.

          He may be crazy, but he’s definitely not stupid.

          • John Scott

            If a miracle happened, and he actually apologized (and really meant it), would you consider touring with them in the future? I realize it’s unlikely, but what the heck 🙂

          • AndNow2.0

            I think it’s cool how you still keep up with what Billy does even though you hate him so very much, which is also quite odd. I just checked his two recent instagram posts and in them he teased a brand new song, which appears to be yet another smashing Billy Corgan hit! Why don’t you try something like that?

          • Tilman Müller

            And now the next odd joke in a 2.0 version…
            I think it’s cool how you still keep up with what D’arcy does, even though you hate her so very much, with ongoing passion, which is also quite odd. I just checked your too decent posts here and in them you teased not a brand new thing.
            Billy Corgan’s last smashing hit was “1979”, which appears to have been yet another twenty years ago. Why don’t you try something less silly like that?

          • SteveWilmos

            There’s actually nothing odd about that at all. Doubly so, having been part of the public spotlight, laying low or not. hat would require being able to have some sort of functioning empathy center of the mind to imagine what that is like, and while I do speak enough sock puppet to get by in 2018, explaining the how and the why is a waste of time.

      • Tilman Müller

        How did you get the injury from the person that hit you last year?
        You seem to have luck with the guys… : /

        I’m looking for an au pair-like holiday on a farm. Isn’t this called a Green Card? : )
        Anyway, I need a greater challenge than to pay money for hanging out with a(nother) donkey:
        https://www.otto.de/p/eseltrekking-gudensberg-594821918/#variationId=-30951354

  • asylum23

    Billy does seem overbearing and difficult to get along with, from an outside perspective. But what about D’arcy and her history since leaving SP? Besides Austin, she was making news here in MI and also Chicago. I could see band members maybe not caring to deal with this stuff.
    Here she seems to be blaming Manson for her introduction to cocaine, not sure where he fits into her buying 3 bags of crack in Chicago in 2000, or why talking about his parents (?) for a random 2009 radio show she called into. Maybe he was to blame too for her horses running amuck, not paying the fines, and skipping all 4 court dates? Or her drunk driving and slamming into a retaining wall?

    http://www.mtv.com/news/621164/chicago-cops-say-ex-pumpkins-bassist-had-crack-cocaine/
    https://www.spin.com/2011/02/ex-smashing-pumpkins-bassist-darcy-arrested/
    http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/02/former_smashing_pumpkins_bassi_1.html

    • Fey Wutt

      WHOA SISTER!!!

      I NEVER, EVER BLAMED ANYONE FOR MY DRUG USE AND NEVER WILL.

      You should read things much more carefully and THINK before you speak.

      You’re getting into some VERY UGLY LEGAL SHIT THERE.

      And ALL of your other information is NOT CORRECT.

      You’d better find someone who can read to read stuff for you.

      You could end up getting yourself into one hell of a tight spot that would be uncomfortable in many, MANY
      ways.

  • Ross Comerford

    Great to hear that you are healthy and well Darcy, and to hear your side of the story. The pumpkins inspired me to pick up a bass in the 1990s. Do you have a particular favorite pumpkins bass-line? Wishing you all the best, Ross, Ireland

  • Adam Bosse

    anyone posting here arguing with darcy over what her importance was to the band, what she contributed, etc etc, you look dumb as all hell. you weren’t there. also, a lot of why you know who billy is today? that has to do with the other 3 people that were with him when he was at his most famous, and darcy was there for that. take what she is saying as at least her own truth and her own side to the story, and show her some god damn respect!! Also, not to get into an argument about it, but darcy does have her own distinctive playing style from billy, and it’s also why he’s had a hard time replacing her. I could name several of the SP songs that obviously have darcy playing on them versus billy. but who fuckign cares?

    DARCY– I’m sure all of this negativity about the past is draining, I’d like to know what some of your favorite memories are of being in the band? favorite songs to have played live? what album/tour do you love the best and remember the most fondly? what was the best day SP had in your 12 years with the band? What were your best moments with billy, james and jimmy as individual people?

    • Dallas Drake

      Laughable

      • Tilman Müller

        I laugh more about someone calling himself “Dallas Drake”.

  • Jim Squire

    This interview is super revealing:-

    Q: “If Billy had doubts, why not play together first and then see?”

    A: “I eat clean and do martial arts.”

    And that pretty much sums it up.

    • Tilman Müller

      That pretty much sums up how carefully you have red the long interview.

      • Jim Squire

        Just pointing out that many of the questions were answered with irrelevant rambles…

        • Tilman Müller

          D’arcy was pointing out her HEALTH regarding reservations asked in the complete question. To feel physically in better shape than the rest of the band. That was the MOST relevant aspect about being able to rejoin the group.

          • Jim Squire

            The Complete Question:
            “It still boggles my mind, trying to understand different perspectives, if Billy had doubts, why not play together first and then see? Like why have an expectation on your ability to play bass without playing with you first? If you have reservations, get in a room.”

            Things the answer could have addressed:
            -Doubts about someone who hasn’t played publicly in over a decade
            -Band dynamics
            -Logistics / timing / place

            Things the answer did address:
            – “My Mom was a health nut”
            -“I’m maybe a hair shorter than James”
            -“I like to build fences”

            So? Um, like, why didn’t you guys play together first?

          • Tilman Müller

            You obviously have overseen THIS part in the interview, Brett Buchanan has put together from a four hour phone call:

            >I still don’t understand, why didn’t Billy, you, or somebody say if we’re going to do this reunion, say maybe we should all four talk together? Talk on the phone at least, or meet together, why was that idea never posed? It seems that having text message conversations about this muddied up a lot of water.<

            Well no, it really didn’t. I would have really loved to. At one point Billy said that Jimmy was going to come over to his house and write some stuff. I always said, ‘I’d really love to do that too.’ He would never invite me, but he told me that it didn’t happen. He said that I was invited to do all of this stuff, and that I said later, later, later. There was only one thing that was later, later, later, that I had invited him to come out to my farm. He never invited me to his house ever to meet his girlfriend or his son, nothing.

          • Jim Squire

            yes, but that was earlier in the interview – Buchanan did’t feel that was adequate and asked a followup question “why didn’t you jam” to which the answer was a ramble.

            All I’m saying is that if you look at some of the questions and answers there isn’t a lot of correlation.

            I, personally, prefer straight answers. If you prefer hearing about fence building in response to band practice then that’s your style of approaching the world and I think that more people should understand exactly how dangerous a hippo can be when in close quarters.

          • Tilman Müller

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f674c538dbde2caad9437e68b2611b3bdb1a25f4a7a3d922ca661f3880f271b2.jpg Looks to me, like Billy Corgan never told D’arcy Wretzky, why he didn’t have the interest to meet her personally. So she only could tell about herself feeling fit enough.
            The way Corgan treated her, was not only rambling, but a sneaky kind of lying. He didn’t tell her straight that he had planed Jack Bates as the tour bass player right away. And didn’t inform her about the recordings too, because he wanted her only little involved at all.

            He even refused to give any answers to her statements. But had the nerve still to visit his buddy Mancow Muller just two days after an ugly “Battered Rockstar” contest about D’arcy in his radio show, to play the heartbroken victim of her accusations, not able to talk about it.
            The same at the New York Times interview. Which made the journalists joke about him. The interviewer wrote the headline: “Smashing Pumpkins Say They’re Happy Now. Can They Keep It Together?” to a photograph of agonized faces. He even showed the original rude ending of their conversation by Corgan on Twitter.
            Their internet editor posted a statement of Wretzky combined with Corgan’s decline to answer with an expression of amusement.

            https://twitter.com/mccanner/status/976841238413545472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.netphoria.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D186159%26page%3D12

          • Dallas Drake

            You sure make a lot of assumptions

          • Tilman Müller

            Another assumption:
            “Drake” is perfectly rhyming with “Ape”.

  • Aragon131

    happy birthday D’arcy! Everyone hopes to hear from you soon.

  • David Henretta

    I thinks she’s definitely unfit to tour and Billy realized that, period. It’s a shame but no real biggie, I wish that Billy had contacted Melissa because that would at least still lend itself to the nostalgia factor and they’d have a little more buzz. The Pumpkins stylistically were always Billy, James , and Jimmy anyway, if anything Melissa added her own personal flare to the songs when she was a touring member and actually made the bass lines stand out (which could be why she wasn’t contacted, you never know). D’arcy was definitely part of the visual but musically speaking not so much, so when you guys go and see them on tour this year just every once in a while close your eyes, she’ll be there in your mind…that’s all you need. I’m not trying to be mean I am just trying to be real, this isn’t the 90’s anymore and this isn’t your parent’s Smashing Pumpkins

    • D’arcy is undervalued in retrospect.

      A large part of the bands appeal early on was D’arcy and JAmes to some extent. Their etheral gaze into the camera and unusual looks made them stand apart from allt he other distortion rock. I watched them pick up steam in Los Angeles in 93 and saw them live at the Roxy in 99. The music was good, but the look was what made them special.

      Depeche Mode example – Martin’s music is great, but without David Gahan fronting it, its not Depeche Mode. Billy and Jimmy might drive hard grooves but what made them special was how cool they were. A big part of that is what she and James brought to the tale – above and beyond the musicianship.

      Everything is a time and a place. You can’t go back. And if fans want to revisit the 90’s, you certainly cannot do it without D’Arcy.

  • Tilman Müller

    Linda Strawberry’s fishy ambition to become the next shenanigan bass player in the Smashing Pumpkins? #bassbitch
    A true look on her Instagram posts, telling probably an amazing story…

    Step 1: Having the anticipation to have talent to play bass by playing a cheap second hand in a guitar store

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfwva1whOTK/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 2: Bleaching the hair blonde for a Darcy-lookalike

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgFf-6ljIGs/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 3: Getting a new bass (probably not left over by somebody’s tour sponsor)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCYTZzjdFe/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 4: Posting a first noodling, with easy chord progressions of any Pumpkins classic

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCXj5vj4Y-/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 4: Pretending to be so intense at learning, to even wake up very early in the morning to practise a fascinating bass line

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgEEsUPDtMY/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 5: Wishing your „inspiring and true friend“ a Happy Birthday, telling him btw about your amazing progress on your new beloved instrument

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgbZ44xjFih/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 6: Getting red handed (to a b/w photo) by the stress of intense exercising

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bin-n7pjoh3/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    To be continued…

  • Tilman Müller

    Linda Strawberry’s fishy ambition to become the next shenanigan bass player in the Smashing Pumpkins? #bassbitch
    A true look on her Instagram posts, telling probably an amazing story…

    Step 1: Having the anticipation to have talent to play bass by playing a cheap second hand in a guitar store.

    lindastrawberry
    I’m the jerk playing at guitar center right now. Lol! But I wanted to try this violin bass. 🙂

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfwva1whOTK/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 2: Bleaching the hair blonde for a Darcy-lookalike.

    lindastrawberry
    The women I know are incredibly talented, fiery attractive, passionate, some of them also badass mothers, creative in so many ways, full of endless patience, and I could go on and on. …

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgFf-6ljIGs/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 3: Getting a new bass (probably not left over by somebody’s tour sponsor).

    lindastrawberry
    My new bass just arrived. 🎸@yamahamusicusa #bb434 😍🍓🎶 now what shall I name her? Thank you @scott_marceau –

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCYTZzjdFe/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 4: Posting a first noodling, with easy chord progressions of any Pumpkins classic.

    lindastrawberry
    My new bass just arrived. 🎸@yamahamusicusa #bb434 😍🍓🎶 now what shall I name her? Thank you @scott_marceau –

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgCXj5vj4Y-/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    linda strawberry
    Yay my bass just arrived. Thank you @scott_marceau@yamahamusicusa – #bb434 Here’s some noodling. Lol. I just unboxed it 🤘🎶I’m playing with the end of my acrylic paint tube because I couldn’t find a pick. 😂 I couldn’t think of what to play – only BWBW lol. So excited to plug this in! #bb434 I normally don’t pick this hard I just wasn’t sure if it would be audible.

    Step 5: Pretending to be so intense at learning, to even wake up very early in the morning to practise a fascinating bass line.

    lindastrawberry
    Good morning from the darkness and from my grandmother’s clown painting – I was up at 4:44 and couldn’t go back to sleep because I had tried to start learning Muse’s “hysteria” bass line before bed and I couldn’t get it out of my mind. So I’m awake! 🤡

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgEEsUPDtMY/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 6: Wishing your „inspiring and true friend“ a Happy Birthday, telling him btw about your amazing progress on your new beloved instrument.

    lindastrawberry
    Happy Birthday to my inspiring and true friend @williampcorganFrom last birthday to this one it has been a creative adventure. I hope this year is a magical one! 🍓❤️🎶🎂 📸by @kristingramwatch our art film Pillbox – link in bio

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgbZ44xjFih/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Step 7: Getting red handed (to a b/w photo) by the stress of intense exercising.

    lindastrawberry
    Stress relief. #redhanded

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bin-n7pjoh3/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

    Certainly to be continued…

  • T. M.

    The “Elephant” is more than twice smarter than YOU, “Drake” and amazingly even more than that as a “Strawberry”, “Cowberry” or how else this DUMB ROWberry likes to name herself.
    Linda Strawdidle has to write her own Wikipedia biography, declaring herself there to be able to play bass just after a few weeks shredding. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ee60ad9cb32b66ea24cb62a1c02cd1282ae14adb9aa2e75d3967ddc65d97f22.jpg

  • T. M.
  • Harrison Bergeron

    She sings and plays bass and does both very, very well in this unplugged video.

    https://youtu.be/QaW_l4Vyuys