Smashing Pumpkins’ D’arcy Shares Billy Corgan’s ‘Guns N’ Roses’ Reunion Offer

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Original Smashing Pumpkins bassist D’arcy has sent Alternative Nation the following text message conversations she had with Billy Corgan in January, including his pitch to involve her as a guest like Steven Adler on Guns N’ Roses’ Not In This Lifetime tour.

Alternative Nation will be publishing the first in-depth interview with D’arcy in the last 20 years within the next day. We also have an open offer to Billy Corgan, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin to share their side of the story.

 

Below is a conversation about Jack Bates, the Pumpkins’ touring bassist. The final conversation is unrelated to Bates, and about tour t-shirts.

  • eviltimeban

    Sounds like Billy was really trying to make it work, was conscious she had a shoulder issue, and wanted to ease her back into the rock n roll life. Billy and the others have been touring / playing gigs in some shape or form over the last 18 years. D’arcy hasn’t. If you took someone who’d never toured before, ever, they’d have a nervous breakdown probably.

    Billy seemed to be hoping to ease her back to touring, with a view to being full time eventually. She got her nose out of joint because she wasn’t in the studio, but so what? It was one song.

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    • Fey Wutt

      No. I asked billy if there was any chance at all to play bass for the tour. He laughed at me and said, “You think you can play better than Jack Bates?!”
      and i said , “just say i did. is the ANY CHANCE that i could be the tour bassist?” and he said “no”

      you need to read that again son. Also: i couldn’t get to LA.
      I had a torn rotator cuff.

      • firefly_can_fly

        maybe you sould do a reddit ama?

      • Tilman Müller

        The part where your conversation really soured hasn’t been printed yet completely. There’s something missing between your conversation about Jack Bates and your comment to feel now pissed off. Though, Billy’s answer to that, that you deserve to be on a t-shirt sounds already some kind of sarcastic.

        • Tilman Müller

          Well, maybe you realised after the Jack Bates discussion Billy’s real intention, to give you only a Steven Adler like guest role…

      • Dade Martin

        Sort of confused about the message on Sunday afternoon where it says “I’m sorry for what i’m going to do right now but I have to do this for my own…. ?” Also what do you mean he’s “throwing something so special away”? We’re happy that you’re trying to tell your side of the story here instead of the grammatical disasters that Billy posts on Instagram for the fans, but I can’t help but feel like there is some vital context missing here. It’s understandable you couldn’t make it to L.A. from the shoulder injury but how did that change into Billy saying you couldn’t play bass on the tour? Was it always his intention to have Jack Bates play most the tour while having you come out for a few songs every night after he heard of your injury? I agree with the post below that you should do an AMA on Reddit.

      • Can anyone do something they haven’t done in nearly 20 years, as well as someone who’s been doing it recently? I’m sure he’s difficult, but trying to ease you in to it all seems reasonable from outside here.

        • Fey Wutt

          I’ve been playing.

          Billy knows it too.

          and my shoulder is fine, thanks.

          • Fey Wutt

            … and YES.

            PLENTY of people can still physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally do what they did 20 years ago.

            (some can do it EVEN BETTER than they did 20 years ago)

            … who put it into your head that i haven’t played in 20 years anyway?

        • Cletus Hammersmith

          If it was a case of Billy being skeptical about D’arcy’s ability to play then take her up on her offer and visit the farm and jam with her, it would be pretty apparent if she could handle the task or not. D’arcy has always been the no-bullshit voice of SP, if she wasn’t ready to go, she would’ve said so. This is just Billy being Billy and running away from whatever threat he perceives her to be.

          If you actually read the texts you’ll understand it’s classic Corgan-doublespeak. there would be no easing in. He didn’t approach this with D’arcy’s best interests in mind. He only cares about one person.

          • Fey Wutt

            Yup.

            Billy has said time & time again that i walk my talk and he respects me for it.

            Now he’s trying to say i’m a liar.

            He shouldn’t have done that.

            I never would have said anything more if he hadn’t called me a liar.

      • reality

        You appeared to have no issue when you thought it was Jack White. Regardless, at the end of the day, it’s his band and you haven’t been on stage in two decades. Easing into things is best. Showing up in the studio would have been nice, and if your talent was still there, you would have shown that at rehearsals.

        All that said, thanks for being the sole human being who calls BC out on his shit.

        • Fey Wutt

          There were no rehearsals.
          I wanted to be involved w/the recording.
          All of it.

          Billy told me NOT to come.

          Who replaces me for this “reunion” is irrelevant.

          I just happen to be a fan
          of The White Stripes.

          I’d never heard of Jack Bates before.

          As far as not having played w/the band in a long time?

          Well that’s why it’s called a reunion, isn’t it.

          And if The rest of the band had any doubts about my skills or talents whether or not I would’ve been able to do it they should have said something before they made me an offer I helped plan this reunion for a year and a half.

          Believe me there were no such doubts on anyone’s part & i had been practicing for months and Billy knew that.

      • Although, I must say, having seen his snide Instagram response, he is what he is, an aging asshole rockstar. With Rubin involved it might rock, but I doubt any of the others including Billy are making magic like back in the day. I probably wouldn’t pay what they’ll be asking for tix. Sorry this is how it’s going for you.

      • Barry Egan

        Fans have been waiting for you to be a part of the SP since you have left D’arcy, maybe that intimidates Billy or maybe he simply wants the new SP music to be his creation and not have to work around what he perceives as your issues.

        Either way , it will never be a SP reunion without you there, and the fans know this, and Billy will find this out.

        Much love and best wishes to you, you remain a legend, and I won’t support SP w/o YOU.

        • Fey Wutt

          that’s sweet. Thank you.

          You’re very intuitive.

          Billy has always perceived & treated me as a threat.

          • Aragon131

            You were the only one who had the courage to stand up to him. Such a pity he doesn’t realize how desperately he needs that in his life. How desperately he needs that in his art. Without you to reign in his ego he’s been flying off the rails for years now.

          • Fey Wutt

            I honestly think he is very, very sick & he doesn’t believe in any kind of traditional medicine anymore which as far as I’m concerned is yet another symptom that he is really quite ill.

            He’s always been an asshole but he’s never been crazy like this

          • Aragon131

            Do you mean physically or mentally ill? He does seem to be awful thin lately and I remember during the 90’s he had tendency to be a little doughy (not calling him fat). But some of his behavior lately has been…alarming. Do you think he surrounds himself with sycophants?

          • mike

            The other weird thing about him is his hangup on the occult and astrology and all that other basically silly superstitious “magic” … I kind of feel like that stuff just did him no good in life, and in fact helped keep him off track

      • Stone Gossardish

        Good luck with the shoulder. ESI (as many as 3) and other options along with therapy can help depending on the place of the tear. Hope you guys get to speak in person soon to iron it all out. Make not mistake, now is the time.

      • Shinobi Jedi

        Team D’arcy all the way.

        • Fey Wutt

          👍 Thank you.

          • Shinobi Jedi

            I think you should put some tracks down and show everyone you can still play and steal some thunder from their tour. I’ve got a friend who owns a great studio in Ojai, we can totally hook you up. Think about it!

          • Aragon131

            Seconded!

          • Aragon131

            Team D’arcy. We hope your music finds it’s way back us. You are missed.

        • mike

          Without D’Arcy, it isn’t SP

          But frankly I think D’Arcy is better than being part of what SP has become

          • Shinobi Jedi

            Totally agree

      • Trovoid

        We need you to be a part of this reunion. Unfortunately I can’t see narcissistic Billy looking past these articles. I can tell he’s just so worried about failing that he’d rather play it safe as usual. He can’t just prop some other woman up on stage and think we won’t notice the difference.. There’s only one woman for SP and he should be giving you a chance and not be treating this like some sort of negotiation.

        • Trey Smith

          Umm…Melissa Auf de Maur?

          • Trovoid

            I’ve heard she is most likely ruled out completely. Plus it wouldn’t be an original reunion which is a huge selling point for most people.

          • Fey Wutt

            Thank you.

            People don’t seem to know what the word means, do they?

          • Trovoid

            Well thank you for your contributions to music and for always being super cool.

          • Fey Wutt

            go see her play her own stuff.

            she wrote nothing in S.P.
            she played my bass lines and only for 1 tour.

            Plus? i thought she and i were friends.

            Guess not cause she stabbed me in the back.

            (not by playing w/the Pumpkins, but the sneaky way she went about it)

            i was there from the beginning for 12 years.

          • Sara Bea Delgado

            I saw that tour with only 11 years old, people shouted “puta” at her because she was not your. In zaragoza,spain

          • Fey Wutt

            … ouch.

          • Tilman Müller

            08/1988 – 09/1999?

        • Fey Wutt

          he’s incredibly insecure.

          If i’m the bass player and the tour was a stellar success he couldn’t deal with it.

          He already told me over the phone that he believes that the fans only care if i’m back and
          that they don’t really care about whether or not the other original members are there.

          I told him that that was not true.

          People want the original band back.

          ALL of us.

          Sadly, I could not convince him.

          • Trovoid

            That too.

            It’s such a ridiculously immature mindset. He’s in his fifties and yet he still acts like this. He needs to set his insecurities aside and realize that it’s a bummer for the majority of us. 3/4 of the band means nothing. Your stage presence will be greatly missed.

            I understand being insecure but sometimes you have to set your ego aside and see the situation objectively. This especially applies to musicians. Bands always suffer when one person’s running the show. I’ve been around pretentious musicians myself and it’s a shame that they’re not called out more often.

            I hope you know that we’d be interested in anything that you may wish to do in the future. It’s a shame that Billy Boy aka Charlie Brown is being unreasonable but many of us would support any projects or plans that you may have.

          • Fey Wutt

            Thank you!

          • Trovoid

            I remember reading an old interview with Soundgarden. Billy stops by at one point while they’re all drinking and Kim had no problem calling out his bullshit. At one point Billy said, “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.” And Kim proceeds to just tell it like it is. I always found that extremely amusing 🙂 It’s also relevant to the point you’re making.

          • Aragon131

            “He already told me over the phone that he believes that the fans only care if i’m back and
            that they don’t really care about whether or not the other original members are there.”

            So he’d rather the tour underperform than risk you might take the spotlight away from him for a few seconds? Is he four?

          • Tilman Müller

            That was just another bad joke of him…

      • Jeff

        all i know is is saw the pumpkins in probably ’99 with D’arcy on bass at the small saint andrews hall in detroit and it was fantastic. i cant see me going to any reunion without d’arcy on bass. Like i wanna see some dude on bass with this band. I’m out..a damn shame

        • Fey Wutt

          Yes, it is a shame isn’t it?

          It really is.

          It’s too bad that Billy won’t see it.

          • Alex B

            D’arcy if this is really you.. Share a video of yourself talking so we can see you… Also, maybe call Billy and record a phone conversation..

          • Fey Wutt

            Billy won’t take my calls anymore.

      • Hellob73

        Why couldn’t you send him audio/video of your most recent playing? I love you but you have to acknowledge that not hearing you play for 19 years would make him hesitate bringing you in.
        Even if you had the torn cuff, why not still go to la, show him you have the heart and drive. Get back into the groove socially, let Rubin see you, maybe he would have advocated for you. It’d be a lot easier for him to say yes face to face, especially when you show him how determined you are. You gotta get in the room where it happens, not texting.
        Good luck! Xo

      • Sara Bea Delgado

        NO D´ACY NO PARTY! without her i dont wanna see this tour

        • Fey Wutt

          😘
          Thank you.

          It certainly isn’t the party that Billy is trying to sell it (so very expensively!!!) as.

          • Cletus Hammersmith

            You’re telling me. Ticket prices are a joke considering we’re getting 3/4 of the band, a hired gun bass player and a lifeless guitar player from SP 2.0. I shall pass. No D’Arcy no $$$.

          • Sara Bea Delgado

            She have a horse farm, please…
            i dont think is a money problem, billy always be a idiot

          • Sara Bea Delgado

            i love you d´arcy!

      • Sean Ridgeley

        It really seems like you need to sit down and have a face to face or at least a phone call; there is so much room for misunderstanding in text and a matter like this is far too delicate to risk misunderstandings over. We want to see you back in the band so bad; I really hope you guys find a way to make it work eventually.

        • Fey Wutt

          We spoke on the phone for 1 & 1/2 years planning this reunion & tour.
          Actually the idea was not to just do a reunion tour, but to be a band again, do it right this time and have fun doing it.

          Billy got cold feet.

          • Sean Ridgeley

            I see. Then yeah I agree: you made him insecure because he knew fans really wanted to see you. It’s all very stupid though; we wanted to see him too, and everyone, playing and getting along. Oh well.

            A solo album from you would be really great instead. We know you can sing and it’d be cool to see what you can compose on your own.

      • JaneSmith100

        Are you better now D’arcy? 4-6 weeks for a rotator cuff injury is not really that long. Hope you’re feeling better. I think underneath it all, he DOES want to work with you. You, James & Jimmy are the original people that really KNOW him. And you guys don’t worship him as a god.

        D’arcy, I hope you’re doing better, I’m still going through this injury I have (hip) & IK at our age we don’t just “bounce back” sadly.

        Love to you.

        • Fey Wutt

          Yes, thanks.
          i’m much better.

          4-6 weeks wouldn’t be a realistic amount of time to heal from such an injury but I injured my shoulder in September of last year.
          I went to the Dr.s in January
          of this year.

          I also have had daily help to allow my shoulder to heal so i’m very lucky.

          I hope that your injury heals
          quickly and isn’t terribly painful.

          If your injury is tendon or ligament related ask your dr. about hyalauronic acid.

          It can be gotten in bulk on amazon very cheaply and it really does speed up the healing process for these kinds of injuries.

          Take care.

          D*

          • JaneSmith100

            Whew, ty for that advice. I don’t have health ins but am seeing a chiropractor who is wonderful in my town in Sonoma County. If you’re interested his name is Dr. Devin Weatherley. Seriously, most chiros that I’ve seen are…quacks. This one actually helps me – I’m back doing cardio 1 hour a day now since I left that message! He’s amazing. I will look into hyalauronic acid too. And I have a really expensive Dual Max 2 percussion massager from Brookstone. OMG, you may want to get this. Really helpful, even my cynical loving husband will use this on aches and pains.

            Finally, I’m still looking for homeopathic remedies for this. I have bought a few (my prefered source is homeopathyworks.com ). I just ordered a few more. In the past I healed myself of devastating (and, massive weight gaining) Plantar Fasciitis that I had for 2 decades of 10 pain (RHUS TOX), and my constant recurring ankle sprain (LEDUM PAL), and knee issues (massager + RUTA GRAV). I’m not a trained homeopath & honestly I was **really** cynical abt doing homeopathy but they do work, esp those things that are plant based.

            If you’re interested I have a health group on fb called
            WEIGHT LOSS, HEALTH ISSUES, PLANTAR FASCIITIS & POSITIVE ENERGY
            https://www.facebook.com/groups/323903731152031/

            Hehehe, IKR, really LONG name. I started on just the PF part for the group. A woman came in and swore that Rhus Tox worked. I was cynical, I mean I had spent thousands on shoes, inserts, feet moulds, even buying $400 shoes in Germany when I was there, yeah I bought 2 pairs then or 3. So I thought, I’ll try it. And it worked. I mean I took it every 5 mins bc it went like this: pulsing pain, ow ow ow, when I took it, then the pain stopped, and I felt relief. After 20 years this thing cleared up in literally 3 days.

            Ok re: your shoulder – I haven’t looked it up but perhaps try RHUS TOX. IMHO, Rhus Tox isn’t just an NSAID (it’s not but it seems to work like one), imho, it actually HEALS you. I have been clearing people of KNEES with it (FOM husband who already had knee surgery was thinking about doing it again, took it, it worked, he’s fine now), & tons of ppl with Plantar Fasciitis. It is poison ivy. It is amazing. It is a pain killer. Get 2 tubes from Whole Foods, try it, get back to me, perhaps join me on FB so we can talk more about this stuff?

            I have a feeling Rhus Tox will prob fix you right up, too. Pls let me know. Oh and on FB I’m also Jane Smith, I run the group. X

          • Fey Wutt

            thanks for the info if i get hurt again.

            fortunately my shoulder is healed now.

  • astrocreep7

    Looks like Billy is trying to get D’arcy involved in a way that she is most comfortable. He said do you want to do the full tour or a guest spot on a couple songs? Just let me know what you can handle, because we can’t announce your position and then take it back. Billy’s trying to figure out where she stands. She needs to jump on a plane and head out there. It needs to be the original 4, to have a real reunion.

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    • s1aver

      He’s a back peddler. If he meant it then after she said she want’s to be involved 100% and would be fine by then, the conversation would of been over. He’s fishing for excuses. I mean she is still saying she wants to be involved the only reason she wouldn’t be is because he want’s her as an ornament to help sell the new stuff and not a real reunion. It’s the same reason that he didn’t call her to come to the studio to do the one song like he was suppose to(he didn’t know about the injury then).

      He’d prefer Jack Bates as the primary bassist, which is fine, but that’s not a reunion. Sure it’s been a while but that doesn’t mean she isn’t capable. And I don’t think it would be that hard to find out if you really wanted to after which you could have this conversation.

      • astrocreep7

        He definitely wants a real reunion. Saying you want to do something doesn’t mean you are actually capable anymore. She is leaving everybody (not just Billy) so unsure. He said this a “maximum high pressure tour.” There is no room for error. Everything could be handed to her and still nobody actually knows what she can do. You can’t give half answers and be floating around somewhere across the country. You have to take action and get out there, prove you can do it.

        I like D’arcy. I’m a fan of all 4. None of this is going in the right direction, as of now. I personally think there is still bitterness in the air after 20 years. Time healed for Iha but not D’arcy is how I see it. Reading the texts I don’t see her full heart into the project, and neither does anybody else.

        • s1aver

          Sorry but I honestly think that’s bullshit. He needs the cash more, his career needs this, because she stepped away from the spotlight, and he’s arranging the reunion. He’s been in contact with her for 2 years. If he had doubts why wait till the last minute to air them. You’d think that’d be the first thing you’d do. She consistently said she wanted to be a part of stuff but he never told her about stuff or invited her. And that was at least in part corroborated by the texts. So it seems silly to say she wasn’t their so her heart wasn’t in to it. Besides who can tell anything about anyone heart from a text message anyways.

          I really doubt she’s forgotten how to play but if you’re gonna accuse someone of being incapable of taking part in their own reunion(because a reunion belongs to all the members), maybe you should base that statement on something. Because telling D’arcy that your gonna do a reunion and someone else is gonna be primary bass is retarded. Why would anyone with any integrity take part in that, other than a payday.

          • astrocreep7

            I just read her full interview on the other page. I do agree with you that she should 100% be a part of the tour. And it is strange that he waited until the last minute to not include her ‘fully’. There must be a reason that the entire camp (the band and associates) has not reached out to her. She claims to have reached out to James Iha and he ignores her calls. I don’t see Billy influencing that at their older age and experiences. I also don’t know if that is even true. Also doubt Billy “needs” cash when he is in the ballpark of $50 million.

            All I’m saying is I will be at MSG most likely, and it would be cool if things get patched up by then. But think about it, there must be a bigger reason than Billy’s ego. I know he can be an egomaniac at times but this is a sensitive subject. And he has definitely mellowed out at 50 and has a kid now. There has to be a reason NOBODY is siding with her story. But I will give you that they should have all 4 jammed in the studio and see what happened. It was all rushed fast without her.

            **Wow I’m getting tired of talking about this now, haha

          • Fey Wutt

            Yeah.
            i bet it’s exhausting trying to convince people that you’re an expert about something you know absolutely nothing about.

          • Fey Wutt

            BTW-

            Billy borrowed a LOT of $$$ from someone in the SoundGarden camp, as well as getting himself
            “in a financial hole” as he told me.

            Keeping up that kind of jetset lifestyle is incredibly expensive.
            James wouldn’t turn down that kind of $$$ –
            – & didn’t. Neither did i-
            -tho for different reasons-not that it made a difference… yet.

          • Tilman Müller

            I would get belly aches from Bulletproof coffee just by its price…

          • Atrosion Band

            Silver shoes?

          • Fey Wutt

            ???

          • Trovoid

            There are a couple new commenters here that write insane gibberish. You’re not alone in your confusion 🙂

          • Fey Wutt

            You are not kidding!!!

            Look at THIS guy!!!

            Mr. Mike Lidstone…
            i Think he lives in a hole in the ground under a rock and never comes out because this kind of shit he is spewing sounds like it’s from the 1950’s a the latest!

          • Trovoid

            Yep! I wouldn’t take any of it personally. We used to have a cool little community here and lately there has been a lot of conspiracy theorists and insane people in general.

          • Fey Wutt

            u said it. we should meet up somewhere else.

            Sorry Brett.

            it was fun while it lasted some people just have to spoil it for everyone

          • Trovoid

            It seems like every corner of the internet is tainted these days. Whether you leave this site or not, it’s been a pleasure D’arcy.. Thank you so much for your insight and for all the stories you’ve shared. I’m sorry people can be cruel and lack empathy. Please don’t let it get to you. That Mike guy is a jackass and most of these people would never say half of that shit to your face.

          • Fey Wutt

            Crazy is as crazy does…

            WHO ARE YOU?!!!

          • Trovoid

            I could be anyone :0

          • Fey Wutt

            i actually prefer people who will say what they think to my face.

            WHO ARE YOU?!!!

          • Trovoid

            Well they’d be too afraid to so that’s what’s sad.

            How rude of me. Let me introduce myself. Hi, I’m James Iha.

          • Fey Wutt

            grrr.

            fine.

          • Trovoid

            Does it seem like I’m someone that you may know? I’m curious as to why you’re asking this 🙂

          • Tilman Müller

            She asked me this too. A long time ago… 😀
            The Berlin wall crumbled down in 1989, D*!
            Sorry, but even Germans might not often remember this exactly anymore. :/

          • Trovoid

            Say what, now? Aren’t you one of the crazies?

          • Tilman Müller

            James, you’re not acting like James anymore.

          • Tilman Müller
          • Tilman Müller
          • Trovoid

            Purple monkeys?

          • Tilman Müller

            You’re talking about Billy’s ugly silver “Gucci” shoes?

          • Trovoid

            I’m assuming he/she doesn’t even know what they’re talking about. Read their post history.

          • Trovoid

            Red drum?

          • $weeT Ju$TiZ

            Blessings Blond Buxom BadAzz Bassist,

            He probably lost all his money on hokey dealings [ misadventures in wrestling, computer/cell phone/online antics, infowars, etc…] to keep his head above water.

            All his bad karma is coming up to bite and chomp away at everything in his experience.

            Thank you God, Jesus, Buddha, SIVA. the Goddess and all the rest!!!

            It’s about time!!!
            IN His own words – ‘ D’arcy is the moral compass of the band’
            Hmmmmmm…. we all can plainly see this.

            Plus it seems to me from observation that the only time he supports women / feminism is when it’s beneficial to his pockets. You know, like -do the girl bass player like the pixies??
            Hmmmmm… I guess ya need to have a $$$ va-jaja to work with him.
            Don’t these women see this??
            It’s the ‘ Poor lil Rich Girl Syndrome’
            Their so sad and confused cause having all this money is so tough!!! WAHHHHHHHHH
            I’ll think I’ll make an album with blah-blah – please.
            He’s just using them for their name and contacts – anything thing that lifts him up for free is on the platter for him. YUK!!

            And don’t get me started on the baby Momma- Same age a Frances Bean – PLEASE!!
            They were learning how to walk and talk at the same time.
            How the heck did he get her to go along with the no marriage???
            Frigging A’ man – gorgeous child and partner why no marriage??
            Life Partner – probably used the – ‘it’s so European’ on her.
            Well, another easy to see example that brains and common sense is not a right of the well to do female. That requires age/maturity to make proper decisions.

            Women – People – OPEN your eyes to the TRUTH

            – Watch your ass Sister – I LOVE YOU JUST AS YOU ARE.

            Closing words to ponder ….

            It’s gotta be hard to live up to a ghost.
            I don’t think any one realizes he’s been doing everything to compete with Cobain.
            Good Luck with that one!!!

            He can sing and write for a lifetime and then some – it’ll never happen.
            [ Personal note: Bless you Mrs. Courtney and Frances Bean Cobain ]

            Much Love to One and All – <— Friggin' had too!! HA!!!!!!

          • Fey Wutt

            oh, i’m well aware that i dodged a bullet w/this nonsense.

            I just wish that i hadn’t had to do it the hard way.

          • Trovoid

            .
            .

          • Trovoid

            Are you referring to the money Chris helped Billy make for the Singles soundtrack? Or was this recently? Because I honestly can’t imagine anyone from Soundgarden lending Billy money.

            I know it’s a longshot but do you have any memories of Chris that stand out in your mind? Thanks for interacting with all of us D’arcy. I hope you have a speedy recovery from the flu.

          • Fey Wutt

            This was a somewhat recent thing.

            Yeah.
            Chris was a really kind, talented person.

            I was always and always will be a fan of Soundgarden and all the guys in Soundgarden.

            they were always VERY kind, crazy talented and SO INTELLIGENT !!!

            &
            MY GOD DID THEY ROCK!!!

            It’s absolutely crushing
            about Chris.

            I can’t believe it has been almost a year now.

            It still feels like just a few days ago.
            😪

            i just can’t wrap my head around this.

          • Trovoid

            Yes, they were some of the smartest guys in rock and roll.. I cherish their music and I’ll NEVER be okay with this.

            I can’t believe you said this was recently. Those guys are too nice. Billy talked a lot of shit about their reunion.. And look at him now! Man, I can’t stand hypocrisy. I had a feeling you loved Soundgarden. They have one of the most colorful and diverse music catalogs of all time!

          • Fey Wutt

            1st time we met Chris he came to our show in a tiny bar in Seattle.

            He was so polite, supportive and kind.

            … and he just sat and listened to Billy while Billy told him everything that Soundgarden was doing wrong w/their latest video & tour and how Billy thought that they should fix it.

            I had to walk away. The way Billy was talking down to him embarrassed me and i felt like i was going to throw up if i listened any longer.

          • Trovoid

            Thanks for the story! I love how he told everyone about you guys after he saw you play. I can just imagine Chris being extremely patient with Billy.

            I don’t know if you saw my other comment but there was an interview I read with Soundgarden. Billy stops by while they’re all drinking and Kim had no problem calling out his bullshit. At one point Billy said, “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.” And Kim just starts making fun of him!

            Link if you’re interested: http://web.stargate.net/soundgarden/articles/spin_4-94.shtml

          • Fey Wutt

            WHO ARE YOU????

          • Trovoid

            Part of the collective consciousness. A reflection of you and everyone else 😛

          • Trovoid

            Ahh fuck it, I’ll just post it here:

            “In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden’s “Outshined” that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

            “I’m thinking of making my next album really new wave,” Corgan says, “like ’83-’84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I’m going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen.”

            This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn’t buying. He’s sore.

            “Don’t you see,” Thayil says, “you’re this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don’t need all this…stuff.”

            “What sign are you?” Corgan asks.

            “What do you mean, what sign am I?” Thayil says. “What difference could that possibly make?”

            “C’mon,” wheedles Corgan, “when is your birthday?”

            “All right, goddamn it: September 4th.”

            “Aha!” Corgan says. “A Virgo. You’re argumentative.”

            “Damn right, I’m argumentative,” Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, “which you should know because I’ve been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign.”

            “I’m a Pisces,” Corgan replies. “We pick up on those things.”

            A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil’s heart: “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.”

            Thayil explodes: “What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?”

            “But I hate it,” Corgan says, “it means they don’t think I’m the cute one.”

            “Ooh,” Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, “I’ll bet he’s going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him.”

            The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders’ dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

            “You hurt me deeply,” Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. “You hurt me deeply in my heart.” The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

            Matt Cameron is a little astounded. “Kim should rent himself out as a tour shrink,” he says.”

          • Fey Wutt

            Ok.

            Who are you?

            Is this Ben?

            You were there!

            God i Love Kym

          • Trovoid

            Are you asking if I’m Ben? I’m just a dedicated Soundgarden fan!

            Although I do hope Ben is alright.. He hasn’t been seen publicly much at all since Chris’ passing. And Kim seems like an amazing guy.

          • Keith Taft

            les pattinson is staying home to take care of grandmother or something

            i’d pay to see Darcy playing with e&tbm

            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=834006990140576&id=100005938472185&_rdr

          • Aragon131

            and I bet Chris just nodded and thanked him for the advice. He was so kind hearted.

          • Corndog

            I think you guys may have shared a stage with Pearl Jam at one time as I have a vague recollection of hearing a bootleg where Billy tells Eddie Vedder that he loved him more than any other man; something like that.

            Billy has bad-mouthed Pearl Jam saying that he doesn’t get how they’re so big because they just ‘don’t have the songs’ which I thought came across as a little jealous given that they’re one of the most successful rock bands of all time.

            I know it’s off topic, but I’d be really curious to know your opinions on their music, and the guys in the band if you have any?

          • Trovoid

            All I know is that she loved everyone but Stone, who was apparently a jerk. He was an extremely sarcastic mofo back in the day so I’m not surprised!

          • Corndog

            Yeah I remember in some of the early interviews that he had that sort of dry sardonic wit. He struck me as one of those folks that finds themselves incredibly amusing. He seemed like he might have been a lot of work. He wrote some of my all-time favourite music though, so I’m willing to let it slide:)

          • Trovoid

            Yes way too good of a songwriter. He just fell into the Seattle sarcasm trap.

          • Corndog

            They need to let Stone write another album, and take Eddie’s guitar away. Eddie’s good enough for messing around with a guitar in his bedroom but I don’t think he’s good enough to play professionally. He should concentrate on trying to salvage something from his ever deteriorating voice.

            Damn it. Now I must say my penance. Bless me Eddie, for I have sinned….

          • Trovoid

            Yeah, Ed writes too many power-chord, mid-tempo punk riffs. The band needs to find their groove again and Eddie should take vocals lessons (if he isn’t already). Easier said than done to give up vices like wine and cigs but as a professional singer it’s a risky road to go down. He’s not bad at guitar and it works for some of his mellow music. It’s just that they already have two excellent guitar players.

            I’m sure Eddie will accept your confession in what can be our own church of non-believers.

          • Corndog

            I think he even looks odd when he’s playing guitar. Sort of awkward, like he’s not entirely sure how to stand or hold it. As you say they’ve already got two excellent guitarists in the band so Eddie’s playing is borderline redundant. If you go back and watch some old shows where he just sang it really illustrates how his playing is surplus to requirements.

            I agree completely about the wine and cigs. It’s such a shame to lose such a wonderful voice to that. I really wish he’d try to get through a concert or two without getting pished. After the second or third bottle he can barely carry a tune sometimes. I often wonder what the other guys think of his voice now. They have to hear the same obvious decline that we hear so I’d love to know if they have ever had the balls to say something to him. He really is a pale comparison to the powerhouse voice he once was. I think that if Eddie sounded the way he does now back in ’91 Pearl Jam would never have gotten anywhere near as big as they did.

            Now look what you made me do. Penance time again. In the name of the Eddie, the Mike and the holy Stone… 🙂

          • Trovoid

            No matter how coordinated you are, it can be difficult to sing well while playing guitar. I’m a drummer and yet I still struggle to multi-task singing while strumming.

            I wonder if Eddie has a problem with booze but he just strikes me as a guy who celebrates life. It’s strange though because most musicians his age seem to sober up or slow down considerably. Those guys aren’t deaf but they know Ed’s the leader so I doubt they’re ever going to tell him to do something about his voice.

            That’s the thing; If you release an album like Ten at the beginning of your career, you’ve pretty much earned a fanbase forever. The power in his voice and his stage presence definitely was a main factor in their success. And Eddie knew that and that’s why he took over the band by Vitalogy. At the same time though, Eddie would’ve probably been nobody without those guys. He has been backed by some incredible musicians.

            Forgive us Tremor Christ for we have both sinned.

          • Corndog

            I agree, it most definitely is hard to sing and play at the same time. I play bass a little, and i have never been able to master that. I find that my hands just want to move to the same rhythm as my voice!

            I don’t think that it’s Eddie that has a problem with drinking, i think it’s the fans! We’re the ones suffering because he’s so pissed he can barely carry a tune:) Seriously though, i don’t think that he is an alcoholic or anything but he really needs to give it a rest while he is performing. He’s basically drinking through his work day. Eddie may be the leader of the band, but at this late stage in their career i would have hoped that one of them was brave enough to point out to him how bad he sounds. He must hear it himself surely? I’d just love to be a fly on the wall for an evening in their rehearsal space and see what the dynamic is like these days. I suppose it is always possible that they have all discussed it as a group. Perhaps the consensus they came to is that despite his voice, it doesn’t appear to stop people from buying tickets and enjoying the shows so why fix it if it doesn’t seem to be broken? It is though Eddie, it really is.

            Absolutely Eddie is the reason that they were so successful in the early days. Much as i love their music, his voice was always the main draw for me. You feel it too if you hear any of his old pre-Pearl Jam Bad Radio stuff in that the music is good, but it the voice that is really drawing you in. I think that he had that whole persona down to a fine art in those days and would have made it sooner or later, if not with Pearl Jam then with another band. I do mean persona too as the cynic in me looking back at old footage now can see that all that earnestness and sincerity, all the weird facial expressions and the awkwardness on stage; it was all part of a carefully crafted act. He has never been as interesting in stage since he dropped that act.

            Tremor Christ, i love it:)

          • Trovoid

            Yeah I have a similar problem. I’ve definitely been meaning to practice that more. Some guys can play the most complex riffs while singing and it always blows me away.

            You’re right, it’s unlikely he’s actually physically dependent on alcohol. He’s just having a good time. And observing the dynamic in their rehearsal space would be fascinating. That’s a reasonable theory. Some people complain about his voice but it isn’t a dealbreaker for the majority of fans.

            Eddie was definitely intense and melodramatic at times. Whether it was calculated or just a natural reaction to the music, who knows? Not all musicians are performers so maybe ‘Crazy Eddie’ was the result of him trying to find himself. I’ve noticed a trend with very introverted guys becoming frontmen and being extremely different offstage. They create or channel a character because their job is to emote and communicate their art.

          • Corndog

            His current voice isn’t a deal breaker (given how awesome the rest of the band are) but it really is a distraction if nothing else. I think that he makes it worse than it needs to be though, because of all the weird little things that he does when he sings now. I wont bore you by listing them all again as i’m sure you’ve heard me rant about them here at some point or another, but i do think that he could sound a lot better if he just adjusted what he’s doing a little and stop some of his odd little habits, such as adding additional syllables to words for example. He’ll never sound like he did when he was 25, but there is definitely room for easy improvement with a few easy changes.

            Back when i was 13 years old, i was fascinated by Eddie. The way he talked, the way he carried himself, the facial expressions; the whole stage persona. I always thought that he was so genuine and emotional and this was how the music made him feel. As i got older and went back to some of those older performances i can see that (IMO) a lot of it is just a character that he is putting on. The weird way he’d hold his arms close to his body, the facial expressions; it was all part of the act. This is further evidenced by the fact that he just dropped all this over night and changed his onstage persona completely. He still has intensity, but he manifests it in a completely different manner now. Hell, we’ve found out that even his voice back then was somewhat artificial and he was trying to sound a particular way, which he then subsequently stopped doing. You can hear the decline in that original voice from No Code onwards, with it’s ultimate death being on the Binaural record where he made no attempt to use it at all. From then on his voice evolved into what we hear on LB today, and of course what we hear in live performances.

            I don’t have an issue with his early stage performance being a persona though, so long as he is honest about it. I think that he was very much aware of what he was doing and very much aware of how he was being perceived and behaved in such a way as to control that perception. Kurt Cobain did this as well. He maintained that whole ‘i don’t give a shit’ attitude in public but how many producers, record label employees ETC have came out over the years to state that he wanted both himself and his record to be the biggest they could possibly be. He liked to come across as all anti-establishment but really he just wanted to be successful just like anyone else, but for whatever reason, he liked to hide that from the public. He wanted to be the most famous and successful rock band in the world (which is fine) but just couldn’t admit to the fans. I think that it why he had such a public issue with PJ. He perceived them as taking away some of the success that he believed belonged to him. In his head, they were a threat to him.

          • Trovoid

            The key to advancing as a vocalist is to lose bad habits- not gain them! That’s what seems to have happened with Eddie. Maybe he’s thinking about it all too much now. But yeah we’ve definitely discussed his mannerisms. Fixing the little things- like you said- would be an improvement on its own.

            Those are all very valid observations. I’m sure the dramatic antics were a result of he (and many other frontmen) being self-conscious. I think about a part in a book I read where Dave A. explains to the interviewer that Eddie used to purposely hold multiple beer bottles in his hand and once told him, “I want them to all think I’m fucked up.” That’s one example. Dave repeats throughout the book times where he observed Eddie sort of forcing a specific public image. And I believe it but I also can’t completely judge what he was going through at the time. He went from a guy working security and pumping gas to an icon within like a year. So he was probably really questioning his identity and what he wanted to project as a person.

            It looks like you hammered the same point as myself in your last paragraph. I wrote the last chunk of this while still reading your comment so I apologize if I repeated your points. But yes exactly. They were all trying so hard to be anti-establishment. It was a giant pissing contest about who was the most authentic. And for sure! Kurt was totally threatened by PJ. He’d go out of his way to say they were awful and weren’t legit because they had too many guitar leads. Like punk rock ethics 101 is more important than great musicianship! He also held a grudge with Jeff and Stone because of their glam roots and for ‘abandoning’ Mark Arm to ‘find success’. Shame on people for wanting to be successful. Especially when Kurt wanted the same thing and had Nevermind super polished all to pretend that he hated the mixes. And wore a “Corporate Magazines Still Suck” shirt for Rolling Stone but still did the shoot. He wanted Nirvana to be the most popular band and PJ blew up instead. Many of those guys (and riot grrrls) were trying VERY hard. The art seemed to come from a place of insecurity and unwritten social rules. What they wanted was a contradiction to what they were trying to portray.

          • Corndog

            Well if he is thinking about it too much, at least he IS thinking about it! Hopefully enough to consider trying to do something about it while he still has a semblance of a voice to salvage. As silly as it sounds, it genuinely upsets me to see how far he has fallen vocally. He’s not as good lyrically these days either but that is not as much of a problem as the voice.

            That’s very interesting what you said about Dave A. Do you recall what book it was that he said that in? I’m not sure what he meant about the beer though. Why does holding bottles make you look fucked up? What was his general opinion of the behaviour that he observed? Did he think that it was a good idea or was he criticising it? I have to say that it worked on me at least, because i grew up thinking that your uncle Eddie was genuinely fucked up. All the rumours about possible sexual abuse connected to ‘Alive’ reinforced that idea. I can understand that he was likely questioning his identity as you’ve suggested, as it must have been a lot to adjust to, especially if he was a genuine introvert. I suppose there is nothing intrinsically wrong with having a stage persona, if that is what it was. Really, would it be any different from say, Manson playing dress up onstage and declaring himself the ‘god of fuck’?

            It really is bizarre the way success can be viewed as a bad thing amongst alternative musicians. I don’t understand why being or wanting to be successful in your chosen field is seen in a negative light. In any other industry you would be praised for your success, but in the music business people say they have ‘sold out’. I never really understood that term. It’s as if some people forgot that to the musician, this is their job, their livelihood, so why shouldn’t they want to succeed? I think it is a nonsense term and i always roll my eyes when i see it. At the same time attitudes like Cobain’s really get on my nerves. Clearly he wanted to be big and famous, or he wouldn’t have done it. No one forces these people to sign record contracts and become music ‘stars’. If Cobain was as against success as he made out, then he could have simply got a job hauling lumber or something, and played in small local clubs for his own amusement at the weekend. He didn’t though. He tried his best to make his bad as successful as he possible could, and i don’t think there is anything wrong with that. I really don’t understand why he did. It’s almost as if he was embarrassed about being successful, and i find that bizarre.

          • Trovoid

            Yeah I think his new lyrics are a bit too straightforward. I liked when they were more cryptic and poetic.

            I’ve mentioned the book here before I believe. It’s called Five Against One by Kim Neely. Dave shares a lot with the interviewers in a way that doesn’t even seem biased. He just generally appeared to be confused and frustrated, especially with Vedder. This was around the 1993 awards I believe. Eddie’s hair was a mess, he was holding 2 to 3 beer bottles in pictures at the Grammy’s, and scowling and giving an attitude. Several people said he would carry around a wine bottle as a prop and would hardly be drinking it. Like he was going through a Jim Morrison drunk-guy routine/phase. I found the book, here’s a direct quote:

            “He had two beers in his hand, and I said, ‘Why don’t you give me one of those, you look kind of silly,” Dave recalls. “And he looked me straight in the eye, sober as can be, and said, ‘No man, I want people to think I’m fucked up and drunk.’ And then he went right back to being drunk. I just stood there going, holy shit. At that point, I was way past saying anything to him.”

            Eddie would also complain about all of his cymbals and was livid that he did a Modern Drummer interview, even though Stone and Jeff had done interviews like that. They told him it was a bad time to do so. The guy was just trying to have fun and be direct with interviewers about how great everything was going and Eddie would just get pissed. Some people said in the book Dave was “too normal” for the band. Dave even started having panic attacks while playing shows and said that beyond some of the staff, the rest of the band didn’t check with him and see how he was doing at all. They just left the room when he tried to talk about it. At one point Dave had to accept an AMA award by himself because the rest of the band wasn’t around. Afterwards Eddie said, “That was the most embarrassing moment of my life. You embarrassed the shit out of me when you did that.”

            There was just constant tension in the air. I highly recommend the book. It’s probably part of the reason that the band pretended Dave doesn’t exist. Even when publishing royalties changed so Eddie got more, he just put headphones on and didn’t discuss it with the band. He just let Stone talk about it.

            Yeah like I said the 90s was all about punk rock ethics and success wasn’t “cool.” I’d like to think that mindset has gone away a bit. Now musicians are struggling so much that nobody bats an eye if they put their song in a commercial or something. They’re just like, “Good for you man!”

          • Corndog

            Yes i’d agree about the lyrics. His more recent lyrics tend to be a bit more in your face and lack the subtly they used to have. I mean gee, what could ‘Can’t Deny Me’ possibly be about?….yep, that’s right, it’s a song about Eddie Vedder written from Dave A’s perspective… 😉

            I’m not generally that interested in band members beyond their musical output but that does sound really interesting. I’ve always been curious about the whole Dave thing. I feel terrible for that guy and think that he got a really bad deal from the band. It seems as though they treated him like crap. I wonder if they ever feel bad about it at all? With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, would they be willing to admit, if only to themselves, that they maybe could have treated the guy a little better? Far as i can tell his worst crime was in daring to enjoy his fame. So what if he did an interview? If Eddie had wanted to do an interview no one would have told him what he could or could not do. The AMA thing too (had to look that up as i didn’t know what it was), what was the big deal there? If someone is giving you an award, then just be gracious and accept it. I don’t see that Dave did anything wrong. From what i saw on YouTube he just thanks a couple of people and leaves. The only thing i found unusual about it was that the band was getting an award for best new heavy metal band?? What is Dave up to these days? Did he ever play with anyone else after he was kicked out of PJ? Seems a real shame to waste that talent. I’ve said it before and will likely say it again; he was the best drummer they ever had. Cameron shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence. I know that a lot of people say that he’s amazing in Soundgarden, but i can only comment on PJ, and i think that he is crap in PJ. I don’t get what the whole deal is with Eddie’s man crush on him when they play live. He makes out like he’s some kind of drum god and that PJ would be nothing without him. Baffles me…

            I wonder what the issue was with his cymbals? Eddie should be more concerned with that horribly thin and tinny guitar tone that he always seems to insist on before worrying about other peoples kit. I don’t know if it is the telecaster, or if the guy needs to invest in a pedal or two, but his tone when they play live is always horrible IMO. I’ve actually noticed that a lot with their live performances in recent years. A gradual shift from a more full meaty sound to a much thinner and more hollow sound from all 3 guitars in general. A cleaner, less heavy sound.

            The more i hear about Eddie (especially from back in those early days) the more i think that he is a bit of an asshole, or at the very least he certainly used to be. The stuff that you’ve quoted above sort of lends credence to my feelings that his whole persona back then was a carefully crafted act. I have to give him credit though, as he was very convincing. It would be very easy to go off the guy altogether, but i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. We all do stupid shit when we’re younger, so hopefully he has learned from it and modified his behaviour somewhat.

            You mentioned royalties changing and Eddie getting more money. Why was that? Back when Dave was in the band wouldn’t the majority of the writing credits still be down to Jeff/Mike/Stone?

            I think after i respond to this i’m going to go see if i can pick that book up on Amazon. I haven’t read anything now in about 5 years so i’m well overdue! Many thanks for the recommendation man:)

          • Trovoid

            I hear you. Most of the personal parts of the book related to Vedder. It almost felt too invasive reading those parts but it was interesting nonetheless.

            I’m surprised that with all of their angst and drama behind them that the band hasn’t acknowledged the situation with Dave still. Maybe they feel really awkward about it? I know Dave and Chris Cornell’s brother (Peter) have played together in recent years and that’s only a few degrees of separation away from the PJ camp. I feel like most people in their friend groups didn’t have a problem with Dave and probably just respected their decision to fire him. PJ must feel weird about it and would probably say, “It was a long time ago.” Dave has played with various people, nobody that famous from what I know. He has a youtube channel called FreeAssRecords where he posts videos (some PJ bootlegs, other misc. shit).

            I think their issues with the Modern Drummer interview was that Eddie didn’t like Dave’s new recognition. The band was blowing up and Ed was trying to control their image. I feel like they always only thought of Dave as a replacement. Reminds me of Kurt and Eddie with that whole stupid Time magazine cover. They put Eddie on without his permission and he called Kurt and whined about how he didn’t want them to do so. They were so worried about being “swallowed up by the mainstream.” Both Eddie and Kurt agreed they wouldn’t do the Time magazine cover beforehand. As for the AMA awards thing, I don’t think it was a big deal either. Dave was a little awkward and nervous (do you blame him?) and had the tour manager come up, but that’s it. Jeff was supposed to show up but he was sick or something. He should’ve cut the guy some slack. The cymbals, once again, weren’t “punk rock.” Eddie was very concerned about the image they were projecting. Having a flashy drummer that people were starting to notice didn’t make him happy. And it seems he was eying Jack Irons all along.

            I think Eddie uses only clean sounds and distortion and I know what you mean. I think he played a big part in the guitar tone change around and after Vitalogy (I know Stone Gossardish has brought this up before). Leave the guitar sounds to the experts.

            Yes, Eddie seemed to be a bit of an asshole. The music and lyrics were meaningful regardless. He was an interesting and captivating performer and it seems he’s matured a lot. In his defense, right before Ten blew up he was completely full of life and honest and humble. I think that record blowing up fucked him up. He may have had an act but I think he was honestly not handling the fame well. Sure he probably wanted it but it was probably overwhelming for an emotional guy like himself. I do always think back to Howard Stern interviewing Chris Cornell. He asked him if he knew Eddie Vedder and if he was an asshole and Chris said he was one of his best friends in the world and a completely genuine guy. People always have layers to them so I think we can agree Ed was a bit of a douche back in the day but he was a complicated guy and was still trying to find himself (while everyone else in the world was watching).

            Yeah, the royalties changed so Eddie got 36 percent and the rest of the band got 16 percent each. Stone simply said, “Eddie has to deal with more shit than the rest of us.” I saw you talking to Olga or someone about having a hard time reading (reading the same line over and over). And I have a similar problem, man, but I think this book will definitely catch your attention! I never read anymore except articles online and Reddit posts. I gotta get back into books again, I miss actual reading. PS didn’t mean to send such a long response back each time, oh well!

          • Corndog

            I wrote a really long reply to this earlier before I left work, but it just occurred to me that I got distracted before hitting the post button and turned my damn computer off. *Sigh* Sorry man! On the plus side though I ordered a copy of that book yesterday. Cost me less than four quid:)

          • Trovoid

            All good man! And hell yeah, I hope you enjoy it.

            Happy holidays 😉

          • Corndog

            Cheers man:)

            I was disgusted and just couldn’t be arsed typing it all again. You know how it’s mostly stream of consciousness and you’re never going to remember what you wrote first time around!

          • Trovoid

            I gotta share something else I just read. So apparently Ed would talk about how his school and classmates didn’t treat him well. Many of them went on to say that he was very popular and well-liked. His childhood wasn’t really deprived (minus the lying about his real father and a break-up senior year). It seemed he was exaggerating his past to speak for an alienated generation. They also said he was an exceptional actor so I feel like he just really channeled characters and the different perspectives that came along with them. Which doesn’t make him inauthentic but more of a storyteller with some actual rage inside of him. That and I read that a source said Ed would draw mustaches on Dave’s Modern Drummer magazine cover. OK I gotta stop now because we could talk about this all day! You’ll have to see and interpret for yourself when you get that book. I’ve also read Grunge Is Dead and Everybody Loves Our Town (and a lot of stuff online) so I’m kind of a walking encyclopedia for rock music.

          • Corndog

            Wait, so he out and out lied about his upbringing?? Jesus, that’s pretty messed up. Bad enough trying to sell that to the fans, but to paint your friends and family in such a bad light to further your career, that’s just downright wrong. I’m genuinely shocked by that. I have a feeling this book is going to make me look at your uncle Eddie in a very different light! Almost afraid to read it:)

          • Trovoid

            I read that specifically in this Rolling Stone article: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eddie-vedder-who-are-you-19961128

            Hopefully the book still holds up. It doesn’t only paint your Uncle Eddie in a negative light but it brushes upon contradictions!!

          • Corndog

            The book arrived today:) Now i just need to pull the crank in my brain a few times to see if i can get myself to read it!

            Thanks for the article man, very interesting!

          • Trovoid

            And by the way, just wanted to clarify that the book isn’t about Dave. It’s centered around a lot of different perspectives. From family (mainly Eddie’s) to friends, peers, interviewers and so-on. And of course- the band themselves. Dave just happened to speak out a good amount in the book.

          • Corndog

            No worries man, i’m still interested and and going to try and pick it up:)

          • Tilman Müller

            Eddie’s playing a great guitar!

            https://youtu.be/NT3BHuxCFz8?t=9s

          • Corndog

            Is that his house in that first video? Looks amazing!

            EDIT: Never mind. Just noticed that it was called ‘Ed’s house’. D’oh:)

          • Trovoid

            Remember in PJ 20 when Eddie is wearing D’arcy’s clothes? That was hilarious.

          • Corndog

            I’ve been high as shit any time that I watched PJ20 so I don’t really remember it very well. The only thing that really sticks out is the piss poor way they essentially ignored Dave A’s contribution to the band. Not cool guys. Not cool.

          • Trovoid

            The best way to watch it! And seriously, he got about a nanosecond of recognition. Bastards.

          • Corndog

            It really is disgraceful the way they’ve treated that guy. Particularly annoying given how Eddie is always singing Cameron’s praises yet Dave could drum rings round him. Cameron doesn’t come close to playing those old songs as well as Dave did.

          • Trovoid

            I never get tired of talking about this because the injustice is so frustrating to me. I feel so bad for all of these skilled musicians like Dave who are never given the credit they deserve. In our society we have so many overrated musicians that people never stop talking about and yet someone like Dave (who is admired by many fans) is oftentimes just swept under the rug. The dude should seriously be in a bunch of top drummer lists. Very unique style, extremely powerful, great timing. I swear I’ve never even seen the guy make a mistake. He was the backbone of PJ.

            I do respect Mike for speaking up about how he should’ve been inducted in the HOF and talking about his skills. And Eddie did say he was a great drummer. But that does not make up for his poor treatment. I wonder if they’re embarrassed about it or sick of hearing about it.

          • Atrosion Band

            “Injustice for Rock Stars”. The new super-group containing members of Pearl Jam and Radiohead, now with D’arcy on bass! Proceeds go to rehab to support people that had awesome lives and got bored. 😀 Get your tickets now at Stubhub sponsored by Ticketmaster as they are already sold out!

          • Corndog

            I agree with all of this, and if it bothers us so much you can only imagine how he must feel about it. I hate it when you see commenters saying that he should just get over it. How do you get over something like that, especially when it appears that the band never really gave you any closure? If it was me, i would feel as raw today as it did back then, if not more so.

            He really is one of the all time great rock drummers and it is a crying shame that he does not get the recognition that he deserves. Really disgusted with the guys for treating him like this. Shame on them.

            Maybe he and D’arcy could be someone’s new rhythm section?

          • Tilman Müller
          • Trovoid

            Indeed, he would also hang from the rafters.

          • Atrosion Band

            I am a casual PJ fan (I’ve owned the first 3 records in 3 formats). But what are their songs? Looking at their Wiki, I know 7 (Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy, Daughter, Black, Yellow Ledbetter and Dissident), and I don’t even know the lyrics in the chorus’. Could they do a “Greatest Hits” tour? Lets say they had to play 13 songs I could recognize as “classics”. I for one would be lost in a sea of what might as well be unreleased material. Shinedown and Three Days Grace have “the songs” (not fashion, but songs). In the interview in question, Howard Stern brought PJ up as being one of the big-bigs. None of PJ’s singles were as potent as “Smells Like Teen Spirit”, “Enter Sandman”, “Bullet With Butterfly Wings”, or “Beautiful People”. PJ has consistently put on amazing live shows… for the same 33 people in the left-wing. Guns ‘n Roses they are not.

          • Corndog

            I disagree. Alive or Even Flow were every bit as potent as those singles that you mentioned.

            I’m not exactly sure how we are judging PJ here. It sounds like you’re judging a bands worth on how many singles they released, and how many of those you remember? I don’t think that is the right way to just a band, especially not one like PJ who consciously pulled back from the spotlight and stopped making music videos ETC.

            One of the great thing about PJ is that although they have their big songs, their whole back catalogue is amazing and they play a different show every single night they play. It is not about those 13 ‘classic’ songs, it’s about what wonder rarity are you going to hear them play that night. If you really want to hear one of those classics chances are it will be woven into their 2 and an half hour show somewhere, and if not they are very open to request!

          • Atrosion Band

            I tricked you in to stating PJ is great like SP. Corgan generally plays nothing but new and unreleased stuff that no one has heard and taunts the crowd for 1979. He played a 45 minute unreleased song (my fav!) on the Zeitgeist tour. He crafts setlist nightly to tell his narrative on the world outlook/news that day. He didn’t play 1979 for years (and people chant it!) He says things like “We are musicians, not entertainers” I don’t know what show you thought you showed up to”. Oceania was played first in it’s entirety every single show of a long tour. When they do play a super-hit they sometimes write a completely new riff for it and make it 10 minutes long. In 2000 half of the songs they played were on the then not-even freely-released “Machina II”, with Ava Adore on Acoustic guitar and not a single song off of Gish or Siamese Dream. SP shows go over 3 hours, the guitar solos are insane (with Corgan taking every single solo in the Iha days!) New lyrics are made up seemingly on the spot. SP played 60 songs in 2 nights in 2012. That is why he gets bad press for running the band into the ground! That is more than SG played their entire career. And btw, I looked it up. BC stated SG played old songs only BEFORE King Animal was announced. Corgan stated in that interview: “I am not in that business, obviously. I condemn anybody who’s in that business but doesn’t admit he’s in that business. When Soundgarden came back and they just played their old songs, great. I was a fan of Soundgarden, but call it for what it is. They’re just out there to have one more round at the till; same with Pavement and these other bands.” Corgan admitted the upcoming tour was a “Greatest Hits” (cash grab) to FINALLY celebrate the band instead of playing the character of the “heel” or “bad guy”… Which was his topic of discussion in 2015-recent. It’s an act. It’s a hard act, too! Time for a hero. SP tickets have been extremely under-priced in smaller venues. The people that don’t get in, or didn’t understand there was no 1979 wrote bad reviews based on BC’s persona… Which he’s had many of over the years, like Bowie.

          • Corndog

            I don’t understand how you tricked me? It is no secret that PJ have been my favourite band for over 20 years. I’ve called them a great band many, many times on this site, and will likely call them great many, many times before i am done.

            I’m a little confused as to what it is we are doing here, because your post kind of sounds like a ‘my bands dick is bigger than your bands dick’ type of argument. For the record, in case you’ve forgotten, i am a fan of the Pumpkins. I’ve been listening to them for essentially the same amount of time as PJ. You don’t need to convince me of their worth. I already know. That being said, i’ll address some of your points as you’ve already made them.

            I don’t know where these 3 hour shows are, but i’ve listened to a bunch of SP sets on YouTube and the average time appears to be around an hour and a half to 2 hours. I can only go with what i have seen, and that is what i get when i search for their live shows. From watching these live shows, it appears that their live act is somewhat samey. He decides on a set and sticks with it as far as i can see. He has already said that the set for this new tour will be the same each night. The average pearl Jam show is always around 35 to 40 songs long, so someone playing 60 over 2 nights doesn’t seem that impressive. Obviously, i can’t watch every show that is out there so i’m sure that you can produce a 3 hour show if you really wanted to look hard enough. I can only speak for my own experience, and i have never came across one. By way of expreiment, i just went to YouTube and searched ‘Smashing Pumpkins live’ and from the first 10 hits, the longest is 1:53, and several of the hits weren’t even an hour long.

            Eddie Vedder also regularly makes up lyrics on the spot, with the bands song Yellow Ledbetter being sang with different lyrics (made up on the spot) every single time that it is performed. I believe that i once read that he actually free styled the lyrics when the song was originally recorded and even he is not entirely sure as to what he said, hence making them up when playing live.

            Far as SG is concerned, i’ll take your word for it. I already stated that i wasn’t sure if KA was released before the tour but my point (as stated in that previous post) still stands. A nostalgia tour is still a nostalgia tour whether or not you have an album to promote, and that is exactly what Billy is about to embark on. So, again, it’s fine if Billy only plays the old songs for a cash grab tour, but it’s not fine for SG or anyone else? I should point out that i have no investment in SG. I have never liked that bad at all, although i do think that Cornell had a great voice.

            Finally, i don’t think that Billy being a bit of a prick all these years has been a persona. I think that deep down, he really is just a narcissistic prick with a persecution complex; albeit a talented prick! That is based off of all the interview footage that i have seen over the years and the pretentious self absorbed bullshit that he regularly writes online.

          • Atrosion Band

            I tricked you… because I knew you didn’t know SP NEVVVVVER plays a 1:30 set. Ever. They have 2 live DVD’s out in the last 5 years that are 3 hours. And there are hundreds of press articles about how SP didn’t play any of the hits during a 3 and a half hour show. Corgan moves on from the past so rapidly that it pisses people off. He is NOT a crowd pleaser. He is going to attempt to do that this summer for the first time, that is what the “new press” is about. I wasn’t dissing PJ… I was stating that THEY ARE THE SAME KIND OF LIVE BAND… Billy said in his quote about SG that they didn’t ADMIT IT WAS A CASH GRAB… Corgan did in the initial press release. The last couple of tours said right on Ticketmaster when you were buying tickets to NOT EXPECT ANY HITS… People still belched “Rat In A Cage” during Natalie Imburglia’s “Identify”. lol

          • Atrosion Band

            I have often said… “I think BC wants his legacy to be that he played every single song he ever wrote live.” So I would say this is the biggest misconception of the band. That is why the band goes insane and says he’s a tyrant. Jeff stated he is expected to have 400 songs ready at any given time. Was D’arcy willing to do that? I bet the only reason BC said he was only going to play the hits is because he didn’t want to put so much weight on James and D’arcy as they have already earned their SP-Wings. JC also sighted leaving the band in 2010 because BC refused to do a “hits tour”. People want to agree with the bad press… and therefore can’t see that it was earned, not awarded. BC is a fucking tyrant… But don’t take his achievements away. lol… The DVD “If All Goes Wrong” contains a documentary and a live show on separate. BC was writing new material and putting on 3 hour shows. Probably half of the songs on the 3 hour live DVD are unreleased. The released songs are unrecognizable… Check out “Blues Skies Bring Tears” or “Heavy Metal Machines” from that DVD… OR GOSSAMER IF YOU WANT A 45 MINUTE UNRELEASED THRILL RIDE! Sorry for the all caps. I think the opening song on the DVD, “Rose March” is the best song he’s ever written. That DVD rocks.

          • Atrosion Band

            Sorry for the “trick” and bragging about it. I just wanted to display how easy everyone falls for such basic jabs and their response will be predictable. BC talks about this tactic in extremes, I learned from the King. REM wrote a dozen songs on such Psychology… and really, really think about the song “Karma Police”. Get in someones head by even seemingly attacking their (or a part of their) identity and you got them. BC is not a conspiracy theorist… He’s just having a hard time explaining that this psychology is running our entire world… Nice guys finish last. Politically, Socially, Economically… Oh… but one more thing… I would respect Vedder if he didn’t steal Scott Stapp’s gig. 😉

          • Corndog

            Yeah man i still don’t get how you tricked me into saying that my favourite band is ‘great’, something i have said a million times before on this site….. but no matter.

            I’m completely willing to take what you’ve said about 3 hour shows at face value, but i’m curious, why are they not showing up when i search on YouTube? Like i said, i searched just for curiosity and not one of the first 10 hits came anywhere close to that. the lengths were: 1:53, 51:06, 1:08, 1:15, 1:00, 1:53, 34:20, 52:06, 1:19 and 3 minutes. The same search for PJ shows gives results that have 6 of first 10 hits being over 2 hours long. I went back and continued to look through the results from the Pumpkins and i can’t find one that is even 2 hours long, let along 3! Do they not allow people to film their 3 hour shows or something? None of this really matters though, as i’m sure you would agree that it is quality over quantity and for most bands i have ever seen live you’re lucky if you get an hour and a half never mind multiple hours!

            For the record, i have never heard them play live myself. To the best of my knowledge they have only ever played where i live once (that’s only from memory, so i could be wrong) and i couldn’t make it that time. They disbanded not long afterwards so i always regretted not getting the chance to see them. In more recent years, Billy with a bunch of randomers just didn’t feel like the Pumpkins to me so i have never actively checked if he has been back here since, although i don’t recall it off the top of my head.

            I don’t think that it is a good way to go about putting on a concert by not playing any of your hits; the songs that you absolutely know people have paid to hear. Sure, play some rare stuff, experimental stuff, new stuff too but make sure you play some of your old hits too in order to please your fans. Regardless of what he says, when he’s onstage and people have paid to see him perform he is absolutely an entertainer. Sure, he’s a musician too, but he’s there to entertain the people that bought tickets. Surely you agree that there has to be a happy medium? I think that is part of his problem. He just seems incapable of relating to his fans at all. He should be there to give them what they want, not what he wants. At the very least, he should compromise between the two.

          • Atrosion Band

            The trick was to get you to enter a new metric into the debate, not talk about PJ or SP. I wanted you to enter “didn’t play enough crazy shit for long enough” into the debate as I already know as a fan that spends way too much time comparing them “with metrics” to other bands. I knew if I entered it, it would look biased. I use to get really upset every time I would see bad press on SP, and stay up all night doing “baseball-like” stats. They rank high, if not the highest in every regard I have put them through. The argument can be made with math that SP is the greatest rock band ever. And SP has always been just Billy, according to Billy. The way NIN is just Trent. The problem we as fans all face is putting our bands up against each other like wrestlers based on what an article says. I just recently realized the oddness of that. Can’t the Beatles and Stones both rock. Did Pink Floyd’s Darkside of the Moon make Pet Sounds a worse album? Nah, music operates independently. There are a 1,000,000 bands out there that have gotten a rawer deal than “your band”. Including mine… featuring Mike Byrne on drums. The greatest drummer of all time. 😉

          • Corndog

            Fair enough. For the record, I am absolutely not saying that Pearl Jam are ‘better’ than The Pumpkins. Both bands have incredibly talented songwriters and a back catalogue to back it up. All i can really say is that i personally prefer Pearl Jam. It’s too subjective to out and out say one is better than another. Sure, one might sell more record or fill bigger venues or whatever, but that’s not really indicative of quality as a whole because lets face it, shite like Katy Perry still manage to fill stadiums so what does that really prove?

            I understand what you mean when you say the band has always been Billy, and i accept that, but he can’t play 3 guitars, KB and drums on stage at the same time so he needs to have other folks with him, and to me the other folks that make up SP will always be the original members. I freely admit that i don’t really like change though. For example, to me, Dave A. will always be Pearl Jam’s drummer. I know he wasn’t the first, but he was the face behind the kit when they made it big and he’s always the guy that springs to mind when i think of their drummer. I really don’t rate Cameron. He ruins a lot of their older stuff when they play it live because he plays too fast and too mechanically IMO. It is an absolute disgrace that he wasn’t put in the Hall of Fame with the rest of them, especially considering that he filled the criteria exactly – being a member at the height of the bands popularity.

            Do you really think that Mike Byrne is better than Jimmy? I think that Jimmy is one of the all time greats personally, but to each their own i guess:) What ever happened to that guy anyway? I have read about the bassist, Nicole Fiorentino, being let go by Billy because she was getting ‘too popular with the fans’ but i don’t know how much truth there is in that. It does honestly sound like something he would do though. It’s widely believed that it’s Eddie’s fault that Dave A. was fired from Pearl Jam over some sort of personality clash and Dave basically enjoying his fame and spending his money. You know, just like Eddie is doing now….

            I have to say man, i like your posts a lot more when you’re not speaking in riddles and double-talk:) No offence intended.

          • Aragon131

            And that whole wrestling thing which NEVER made sense to me blew up in his face. Did he end up suing the company? Such a pity, if he’d included D’arcy the reunion tour would be selling out everywhere. 90’s nostalgia is HUGE right now. I was so excited to see D’arcy again and now I wouldn’t go if I was offered free tickets.

          • Tilman Müller

            I’ve seen “W.P.C.” live in Berlin last year for free with a ticket for a T.V. special in a small club. Regret even to have spend 60 Euro for the travelling now…

          • OliCoon

            Hey D’arcy, massive fan of yours. I’ve loved SP since I was a kid, but not going to lie, I really haven’t heard anything past Machina. I’ve been reading about your interview and I have to say, it breaks my heart to see how you were stifled and treated by Billy. When I first heard about the SP reunion, I was excited, but couldn’t get why you weren’t a part of it. Now that I know, I’m glad you’re not playing ball to satisfy Billy. He needs to sort himself out and quit buying into the conspiracy theory bullshit in my opinion, and really needs to stop being so full of himself. Sorry to see things aren’t working out with you two, but as a fellow bassist, you have my full support!

          • Fey Wutt

            Thanks!

            it stinks the way it all went down, but i have to say, i dodged a bullet on this one.

            people think I’m making jokes when I say I think he has brain tumor but I am not kidding.
            people think I’m making jokes when I say I think he has a brain tumor but I am not kidding.

            that’s how his mom died right about the same age that Billy is now.

            He has never been this bat-shit crazy, and one of us wouldn’t have survived this tour.

          • Tilman Müller

            A missed opportunity: You could have made history by killing each other…

          • Fey Wutt

            you have no idea

          • Tilman Müller

            DISsARM him with a smile. For new creativity…

            https://youtu.be/_Ac2bTDL6m4?t=15s

          • Tilman Müller

            You could have hired a psychologist for the tour. And bodyguards for your each personal security.

          • Fey Wutt

            … and thank you again.

            … tho i doubt some of these people will understand what you are saying either.
            :/

        • James DiGriz

          You’re not reading it right. D’arcy said she wanted back in on EVERYTHING. She wanted to record but Billy then says they’ve already done all that with Jeff. Billy says the tour is going ahead with Jeff, sure the door is open to pop out on stage so he can claim the original line up is back but there is no intention from Billy to have D’arcy back properly, which from D’arcy’s side it is clear that is what she wants.

          • Aragon131

            D’arcy made everything clear. Certain BC fans are just choosing to dismiss anything that doesn’t suit their narrative as fake news. I hope D’arcy writes a book one day and makes everything clear. Plus I’m betting she had some fascinating stories to tell.

          • Fey Wutt

            Nail on the head.

            THANK YOU FOR

            PAYING ATTENTION !!!

            (not to me, but my actual
            WORDS)

            😘

          • Aragon131

            I’m disturbed by two things 1)it seems BC made D’arcy this offer which she seemed eager and happy to accept and then strung her along until the last second even though he was fully aware D’arcy both capable of touring and wanting to play live again. that just seems cruel and 2) if BC shopped around a reunion tour (a GENIUNE reunion, not the psuedo reunion taking place now) with no real intention of extended a true offer to D’arcy, that may be actionable fraud.

          • Trovoid

            FYI You just replied to the woman herself 🙂

      • Fey Wutt

        THANK YOU!!!

        It’s nice to see that at least a few people know how to read these days!

        👍

        • Liam

          Sorry this happened to you. You are fully in the right to air your grievances. Hope you’re doing OK and know that many of the fans support you. The first pumpkins album I listened to was Machina, and the first time I saw the TSP was in Dublin with Melissa — at the time I didn’t know any different. But from then on, with every album I bought, every poster, dvd, t-shirt, b-side, collectable etc, the pumpkins were the four of you, and if this is a true reunion tour, it should be the same now.

          Best of luck to you D’arcy. You deserve better.

          • Fey Wutt

            Thank you!

          • John Bishop

            D’arcy,

            I was a tech on the tour you guys
            did with the Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam. Of all of the people,
            yourself, James and Chad from the Chili Peppers were the friendliest, most down to earth. Just wanted to say, you don’t want any part of this shit show. Sounds like James is already being marginalized.

        • Tilman Müller

          😮
          That’s why voice mails are the new trend.
          Could you send me some again?

    • Fey Wutt

      he never asked me how i wanted to be involved .

      You really should read all of the texts over again very carefully.

      you will see that I said
      I want to be involved in everything.

      all of it.

      and he told me not to come to the studio. He told me on the phone that he’d already gotten a different bass player
      and i had no matter what happened, i had no opportunity to be the bass player on the tour.

      • Atrosion Band

        When rehearsal starts this week you should fly out there… Give Jack Bates the “look of death”. Plug in your bass. It will be the sound we all grew up loving. The bass has to be slightly behind Jimmy to be right. I can’t wait to see you on tour this summer! And in the HOF next year!

    • Katie Maz

      sounds more like he’s telling her how he’s decided she’ll be most comfortable… over, and over, and over, and over, as if he isn’t reading what she’s sending over…

  • D675PDX

    My biggest take away from this drama-filled ugly mess….Billy doesn’t use an iPhone. 😜

    • ChicanoHoodPass

      GREENS??!! gtfo – new phone who dis

    • Fey Wutt

      That’s funny. I too prefer the iphone over the droids, even tho i’m certain that Siri is trying to undermine me & destroy my life.

  • what billy is doing here is trying to break it to d’arcy that he wants to hire somebody that has played in an arena at some point since the turn of the century, and she won’t be performing much on the tour, with the exception of an older song or two. if d’arcy claims that he offered her a spot and withdrew, she’s not getting the very obvious point that billy is making to her; yet, she withdew on her own, so she did. and, if billy is claiming that he offered her a spot on the tour, he’s being misleading.

    i actually think this is a pr campaign.

  • Chris

    she looks really stupid in this.

  • lsc

    Thank you for releasing these texts – Proves how ridiculously reasonable Billy was being – trying to make it as easy as possible…..

    • Fey Wutt

      1. r u serious?
      2. maybe you didn’t see the text where he comes right out and says that he james jimmy & jeff need to do it right?

      Notice how he says Maybe i can play a couple soungs &/or sing daydream? Maybe you didn’t read where i told him that my shoulder would be 100% fine? (which it is)

      Maybe… you need to read it again?

      • Tilman Müller

        Maybe it would have been more effective to make an introduction to the text messages, to make Billy’s tactic more “understandable”.

      • Aragon131

        Well I hope you know you are missed and people want to see you play again and hear your voice (both your singing voice and your views). Myself along with many other people hope you find your way back to the stage.

        Is BC really so severely narcissistic he would rather run the reunion into the ground then acknowledge D’arcy’s presence would be a huge draw? If D’arcy had been included not only would it have made the public eager to hear the new songs but the tickets would be selling like hot cakes. BC is cutting off his nose to spite his face.

        Leave it to be BC to let this reunion which should have a fun trip down memory lane and turn into an acidic cauldron of hurt feelings.

        Hope you’re recovering nicely from your flu D’arcy. Feel better.

      • Darth Sakul

        I don’t mean this in an hostile way, but I am curious if you think that you could have played every night? I went to one of the shows…and they played for over three straight hours. I love your presence on stage and the band is ALWAYS better when you are there, but what I read was that Billy seemed to want to give you a presence, but not a full role, out of concern for your health. Do you think you could have played a full set list every night? If so, then I wish you had all gotten back together. You made the band better and you were the group of my generation. I wish you well.

      • neonlithography

        Where the fuck have you been? You can’t be all social and then disappear again.

        Well… maybe… I guess you can and that is your right, but god damn we miss you

  • Too much talking. Billy, call her “hey, do you wanna play?”, she says “yes” or “no”. They all know how important for the fans is to see her involved, so why to overcomplicate things?

  • timmy hendero

    unless i read that wrong looks like Billy is trying to accommodate?

    • Fey Wutt

      yes.
      you read it wrong-

      and apparently you did not read the whole thing

      Billy comes right out and says that “he James,Jimmy, and Jeff”
      need to do everything perfectly or the band will never make it out of the country .

      • timmy hendero

        yeah i dont care to much anyway

        • Keith Taft

          the new york times, rolling stone, forbes, npr, the independent uk, spin, nme, abc, cbs and the gaurdian uk do

        • Fey Wutt

          Theeeeeeen …

          … shut the fuck up?

          if you don’t care enough to get your facts straight-

          shut the fuck up.

          • timmy hendero

            Oh you told me troll
            BTW the pumpkins blow

          • Fey Wutt

            in their current incarnation?

            i can only agree with you.

  • Can you all sit and talk like adults? I mean, personally, to put the s *** out and make things clear? We all know how important for fans would be D’arcy involved, and it’s becoming to mess even before starts …

  • William Hendricks

    Billy sounds reasonable in this discussion. I am not seeing what D’arcy is getting at.

    • Keith Taft

      d’arcy said she wanted to do the tour…it’s right there

      why haven’t billy, james and jimmy just invited her in those texts to meet and regroup ?

      then they could work out the equal profit splits with their respective business managers amicably

      • Atrosion Band

        I want to be on the tour, too. Shit, I just want a decent ticket. They sold them so cheap I couldn’t get one. Should of listened to Maynard.
        https://www.alternativenation.net/tool-tell-fans-upcoming-shows-worth-500/

        • Keith Taft

          obama is a nice guy …

          he’s ranked 12th

          • Atrosion Band

            Ha! It’s unconstitutional to spend federal tax money on anything but national defense… So his really nice healthcare plan will instead fund a war. Didn’t see that one coming…. Doh! Our society will accept any words if delivered with the right tone and speech pattern. You ever notice that everyone on TV sounds like Obama now??? Bah-bah-bah-bah…. bah… Bah-bah-bah-bah… bah-bah-bah… An athiest could convert nuns with that magic… What is the word “MAGIC” in numerology? Obama! HA!

          • Keith Taft

            instead of naming the st pete main branch library after jack kerouac, whose house is a block and a half away, they are naming it after obama possibly because heart disease, cancer and type 2 diabetes are much more of a threat to the american people than syria who have nationalized health care

            billy lived in an abandoned store in st pete just before sp formed

          • Atrosion Band

            But not a single penny can ever actually go to healthcare. So I’m glad he cared. I’m so glad he cared. Why don’t we use Federal Tax money to end the teacher strike in Oklahoma… I’m for it… Unfortunately, our constitution isn’t. The same with most liberal ideas. No one got free healthcare, we spent it on war. The VA receives 40% of total Federal tax revenue… and can’t deliver 5.5 million veterans proper health services. The path to hell was paved with making people believe you have good intentions.

          • Keith Taft

            the new deal created the greatest economic expansion in world history growing the american aconomy in terms of gdp expontially allowing more money to be spent on defense giving the u s the largest military in the world

            so the new deal was defense spending

            fdr nice…

            ranked #3

          • Atrosion Band

            Exactly. Keith Taft gets it. Obama is super nice! We could be stuck with yester-year’s weapons and no soldiers. The only point of any citizen in the US is to support war… be it raising tax revenue during peace time or having babies magically 18 years before Reichstag’s. Last year I realized Fred Phelps was protesting solider’s funerals because in 2001 it became illegal for the media to cover military funerals. Happy cows produce more milk (that is actually a fact). Cows that can see a fence are more depressed. The modern day draft is in full bloom… In the form of ostracized youth. You ever notice everyone hates the modern day 18 year old boy every 20 years? I for one won’t miss a single Millennial that spent their whole life being trained to be disliked. I will cry for them, though.

          • Keith Taft

            “Some people just don’t want to see change, but thankfully there are a lot of people more optimistic for something new in music, even with the bigger picture like with Obama getting elected.” – Kid Cudi

          • Atrosion Band

            Songs on the Clear Channel ban list get the most out of me.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Clear_Channel_memorandum
            I wonder if you sample those songs in your music if you will get super powers? Why was Muzzle the Canadian single off of Mellon Collie? I like that sweet shit.

          • Keith Taft

            ” in the arms of an angel ” was written by a canadian whose nation has single payer and a longer average life expectancy

          • Atrosion Band

            Yeah, it’s illegal to pay out of pocket for medical care. So the people that live longer might just be freeloaders. Kinda like the baby boomers thought they’d be before it became illegal to not have health-care. As an retired service member, I pay out of pocket every time I “need” healthcare… The wait lines are 60 days out to see primary care, and then 60 days out to see a specialist (no skipping primary care!). It’s great… and my pills are manufactured by the Government… whom could stop paying me retirement-income if something were to happened to me. I’m all for single payer… Amend the constitution first though!

          • Keith Taft

            you swore an oath to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, including type 2 diabetes

          • Atrosion Band

            You know… Now that you put it that way. Too bad our current President isn’t nice enough to see it our way. These tax cuts are killing me.

          • Keith Taft

            might be fewer fans at the next reunion

            ” The story is in the data: The biggest and most definitive study of what happens to death rates when Medicaid coverage is expanded, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that for every 455 people who gained coverage across several states, one life was saved per year. Applying that figure to even a conservative estimate of 20 million losing coverage in the event of an ACA repeal yields an estimate of 43,956 deaths annually. ”

            – washington post january 23, 2017

          • Atrosion Band

            And the people that didn’t gain coverage? They’ll just work themselves to death? 18-30 year old’s will never catch up. The boomers got away without the “fine” and now have their kids subsidizing their healthcare.
            Young men will let woman fill their jobs, a ship will sink, Unemployed young-men will feel guilt, isolate and enlist to end the pain of being ostracized. A country without the right currency will feel their wrath. They’ll come home to their dad fucking their high school sweet heart as the military doesn’t pay so well, and happy cows don’t ration… and what war? I never heard of a war. McDonald’s has openings… You are going to have to pay for your healthcare some how. They’ll never get ahead.

          • Keith Taft

            what if their highschool sweetheart is their sister and they can’t get an abortion because of aca repeal ?

            then the dad will have to pay extra to go to mexico or canada to get ru486 or plan b

          • Keith Taft

            phish were bernie supporters and until the koch’s found out about it and got it scotched, vermont had single payer that worked and had the lowest unemployment rate in new england…thanks to recovery.gov

            wouldn’t it be nice that if someone got injured in the crowd during the reunion concert knowing that they would have free health care with just a little bump in taxes – instead of having to pay for the most expensive health care in the world with some of the worst outcomes ?

          • Keith Taft

            instead of naming the st pete main branch library after jack kerouac, whose house

            is a block and a half away, they are naming it after obama possibly because heart disease, cancer and type 2 diabetes are much more of a threat to the american people than syria who have nationalized health care

            billy lived in an abandoned store in st pete just before sp formed

            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=727997597408183&id=100005938472185&_rdr

          • Keith Taft

            instead of naming the st pete main branch library after jack kerouac, whose house

            is a block and a half away, they are naming it after obama possibly because heart disease, cancer and type 2 diabetes are much more of a threat to the american people than syria who have nationalized health care

            billy lived in an abandoned store in st pete just before sp formed

            https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=727997597408183&id=100005938472185&_rdr

  • Johnny Sunshine

    Good grief. Make a phone call and get it sorted out.

  • Mike Lidstone

    I still can’t make heads or tails of this… she won’t say what her problem is specifically or show what Billy’s or the band’s objection to her problem is. She just keeps showing things that talk around the issue.

    • Fey Wutt

      i kept saying i wanted to do it

      Billy kept saying,

      That’s great but you don’t understand.

      Finally he admitted that he had another bass player and he only wanted me on the tour
      a little, tiny bit so that calling the thing a reunion of all of the original members wouldn’t be a complete lie.

      • Mike Lidstone

        That doesn’t make any sense. Why wouldn’t he want you for the whole thing? He seems to think you wouldn’t be able do it, which you have disputed saying you are healthy and ready to go. Or he also seems to believe that you weren’t really interested. I suppose it will come out in the New York Times interview. In any event, thanks for writing me D’Arcy, I’m just a fan! -Mike

        • Cletus Hammersmith

          It won’t come out in the NYT interview. Billy won’t be forthcoming on this at all. He will either lie and play the innocent good guy, or hurl a bunch of insults at D’arcy again. I know she really wanted to be a part of it, but it’s probably better for her sanity that she isn’t. I’m certain Billy takes years off of people’s lives. lol

          • Mike Lidstone

            D’arcy was just the bass player and she wrote none of the songs. I really don’t care that much.

          • Evan Jones II

            All she was was Eye Candy…sarcasm….

          • Fey Wutt

            and once again …
            ~ sigh ~

            for the zillionth time I say:

            and you know this because you were there.

            ?

            Big eye roll.

          • Mike Lidstone

            I’m just saying, in the band’s history, you’ve been out of the band longer than you’ve been in. I mean if you want to actually get real, why did you get into drugs? Why did you dump us fans for sleazy Hollywood? And what exactly did you do to your face??? Is that real enough now? I’m just a Pumpkins fan, I’m sorry that wasn’t good enough for you in 1999, hope the drugs and celebrities were worth it. What a joke.

          • Fey Wutt

            yeah,
            I used to be a judgemental asshole about people who did drugs too.

            … and people who committed suicide,
            or tried to commit suicide; and all kinds of other people because I was perfect.
            like you.

            The first time I did cocaine I did it to spite some people I really love and care about because they were doing it in front of me and they knew how I felt about it
            so I said,
            “Fine. Fuck you both.
            If you’re going to do it I’m going to do it too!”

            and everybody yelled:
            no! no! no!
            D’arcy, don’t do it!!!

            (except for Billy who said with a big stupid grin on his face, “No leave her alone!
            let her try it!!!)

            We were at a party.
            I don’t like parties.
            I’m phobic of people.

            I was angry.
            i went downstairs and sat by myself in an empty room.

            I soon became very calm and comfortable in my own skin for the 1st time in my life.

            At this point i did NOT think
            that those things were connected with the drug.

            after about an hour I went back upstairs and I said I think your cocaine is bullshit or it’s just not very strong it’s not doing anything to me I’m going to try some more .

            about half an hour after that i made the connection.

            The band was in LA we were recording ‘Adore’.

            it was one of the worst times of my life and I was having a nervous break down but I didn’t know what was happening to me I was having 30+ panic attacks a day .

            I did not know what was happening to me

            all the martial arts gymnastics working out eating h all the martial arts gymnastics working out eating perfectly and being prrerfect were not helping me. and neither was the therapist.

          • Mike Lidstone

            You didn’t know what was wrong with you? It was called being 30 and your body was telling you to have kids, which you didn’t seem to want to do, so you started to go a little nuts. I’m sorry you chose feminism over science. So you shit on the fans and left for cocaine, celebrities and plastic surgery because you had too much money and support from being the bass player in a successful band that you just had to escape? I grew up around drug addicts and alcoholics, and I chose to get into other things, which means being estranged from my family. You accidentally met a successful songwriter who gave you enough money that you didn’t have to work minimum wage anymore, and you are angry about it? What an ungrateful bitch. Look, you shouldn’t be on this tour, you’re not an intelligent person and you are wildly unstable. You don’t care about fans or the music. That’s fine, you don’t have to! So than there’s no issue. So, why get in the news? A lot of middle aged women who were too sophisticated to have kids start to go insane around this point because their lives are now sad and empty. That’s fine, but leave the rest of us alone.

          • Tilman Müller

            Speak only for yourself, not for others. Otherwise “leave the rest of us alone”…

          • Corndog

            You sound like an entitled prick. You think because you’re a fan that D’arcy owes you something? Get on with that shit…

            If she wanted to do drugs that’s her business. Same with surgery, Hollywood and all that other shite you just said. Who the hell are you to tell her otherwise? What successful band were you one quarter of?

            What utter fucking tripe are you talking about having kids? You act like she was somehow obligated to do so. What’s next? You going to tell her to get back in the kitchen where she belongs?

            You have a bare faced cheek to call anyone ungrateful after the crap you just spewed. I don’t know too many other celebrities that would take the time to speak directly with their fans like D’arcy is gratuitously doing here. Perhaps you could try being grateful for that?

          • DanSwon

            Mike Lidstone you are a clueless asshole and you need to buzz off.

          • mike

            Hi D’Arcy. I haven’t seen you in almost 25 years, which is hard to believe. I was around a lot during the SD tour and you were the only person in the band who would ever talk to me. I remember making you a mix tape for on the road once. And come to think of it I have a bunch of stuff on audio from that time — but few photos, that was way before digital cameras. I got out of the biz by the time you guys were off the Mellon Collie tour but I remember feeling really bad about what was happening to the band. It was obvious that there was a lot of no good going on. The huge image change, the nihilism and darkness, the drugs … it was all pretty lame and I remember thinking that Billy had to be the most insecure desperate faker in the world — and I didn’t want to think that, because I admired his songwriting and talent. And most of all I remember feeling really sorry for you. Looking back at what happened I think it’s your saving grace that you never went back to the band. I wish Billy would turn his life around but it’s unlikely to happen. Someone described him as a lost ghost of this generation and that’s kind of what he became. A lot of talent, but so much sadly wasted.

          • Tilman Müller

            Didn’t your relationship with your husband started to sour? Billy wrote it in his Live Journal diary in 2004…
            I’m wondering why you still carry his family name.

          • mike

            And this coke story just makes me sad all over again — I can see Billy’s grin and it makes me mad — but it’s freaking great, the story of it, and that you have the courage just to come out and tell it, and do it right here, no filters. That’s more powerful and RELEVANT than any of these ridiculous “rock and roll” “reunions.” The world doesn’t need that noise. But your story, telling this — the world needs that. Thank you so much for putting this out there. I hope you share more of this, because it’s perfect. Even the way you put it out, in this chatroom — it scrolls out as better & more vital verse than some certain “poetry” books if you know what I mean…

          • Trovoid

            I don’t mean to reply to all of your comments but as someone who has also struggled with social phobia and panic attacks (that lasted days and weeks on end), I really respect you setting some commenters straight. They don’t know what it’s like to feel so completely broken 24/7. We learn to self medicate because any relief is a godsend.

            You all need to stop judging and hope that you never find yourself dealing with the hell that is panic attacks. A nervous breakdown or existential crisis can really change you. I still remember it like it was yesterday..

          • Evan Jones II

            Yea, I go run in my hole and curl up in a fetal postion

          • Trovoid

            Yep, I feel for you Stuart Little.

          • Fey Wutt

            Gosh!!!

            It seems that i’m guilty of my own criticisms:

            I did not read the whole of your last post and I really should have !

            Now i can answer your questions & comments better.

            Let’s see here …

            I’ll start with something really important …
            how about YOU?

            Mike I left the band because of you.

            If i couldn’t have you as a fan I figured I might as well just quit the band and throw myself into the Babylonian pit that is Hollywood and run with it as far, fast and hard as I could until you noticed me and agreed that I could have your babies. Also I was doing drugs because I was so miserable without you around all the time .

            I swear I was going to quit soon as you took notice of me and saved me ! God knows I would never hurt our baby !
            and sometimes I just had to sit on my ass and cry for decades for the lack of you in my life. I mean without you or someone like you what’s the point of doing anything anyway ???

          • Tilman Müller
          • Tilman Müller
          • Fey Wutt

            Tillman I hope you got permission to put that photo of your gf online!
            (jk)

            But seriously…

            This Mike guy is OUT there,
            right?!!!

          • Tilman Müller

            He can have her for free (except shipping!).
            I get an allergic skin reaction whenever I touch her… 🙁 ß

          • Evan Jones II

            An assassin, watch your back…there may be others in the wings.
            The peanut gallery has a full Monty and their creed, take no prisoners

          • Tilman Müller

            Deleted THIS photo myself for being far too rude. Also.. my girlfriend was such an airhead…
            If you’re still more into teddy bears: may I invite you to the biggest teddy bear convention in the world?
            http://teddybaer-total.com

          • T. M.
          • Mike Lidstone

            You are like when I used to argue with my alcoholic mom, what a waste of time. You are selfish! You chose celebrity friends, cocaine and plastic surgery over real things like having kids, or even music, or even a connection with fans. Now your life feels empty and pointless. And you only wanted this tour to get more drug money. You ditched us and vanished even though we cared about you. So fuck you. I’m sorry you surround yourself with sleazy kiss-ass morons who don’t have the guts to tell you the truth. Can I get a a 25% refund on all my past Smashing Pumpkins purchases featuring you?

          • Fey Wutt

            You can FEEL MY LIFE???
            😱

            It’s AWESOME!!!! RIGHT???

            i KNOW !!!!!

          • Mike Lidstone

            You live a sad, druggy, childless existence. My favorite part of the story you came up with about your assistant assaulting you was, you had an assistant? lol To do what exactly? Maybe if you didn’t blow money and dumb shit like that you wouldn’t need to pretend to care about me to try and sell a tour. Just glad you won’t be there. Sorry I’m not your kiss-ass friends.

          • Fey Wutt

            Who are these ” celebrity friends you keep speaking of ?”

          • Mike Lidstone

            Uhh….the ones you said you had? Or was that a lie to? Or were you trying to break into movies starting out at local community theaters? lol Didn’t think so.

          • Tilman Müller

            Mickey Rourke?

          • Fey Wutt

            still trying to figure out the selfish part … 🤔

          • Mike Lidstone

            Why aren’t my posts showing up anymore? Anyway, I have a feeling you’ll be “figuring” that one out for a REALLY long time. Pumpkins dodged a bullet almost putting you on the tour.

          • Tilman Müller

            “Plastic surgery”. Though, I would see it more as being a reaction on low self estime…

          • Fey Wutt

            and being online 24/7 ?

            that pretty much says you have absolutely no life Tillman so what kind of self-esteem could you possibly have?

          • Tilman Müller

            Thanks for talking about ME too! When you don’t want to answer a question.
            You know that you nowadays can be online whereever you are?
            Well, on the right locations…

          • Tilman Müller
          • Tilman Müller

            Even Courtney Love had problems with her self-esteem, ending in plastic surgery:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1487&v=IVK-5gmv5hw
            What drove you to get your lip enlargement? Your acting career?

          • T. M.

            I never spent a hot minute even for an ear piercing…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi4pEMfFv2I

          • Fey Wutt

            really !

            who are my celebrity friends?

            I would love to meet them!

            I live in a micro-town in MICHIGAN dude!!!

            not exactly crawling with celebrities

          • Mike Lidstone

            Yeah, I assume they ditched you shortly after finding out you were just using them, that you’ve never acted before, and that you were on drugs.

          • Mike Lidstone

            But thanks for ditching us fans for them.

          • Fey Wutt

            I don’t use drugs anymore .

          • Tilman Müller

            Drugs in general? You can still ruin yourself on alcohol and prescription pills…

          • Fey Wutt

            Tillman we just started speaking again why do you have to be such a jerk and ruin it?

          • Tilman Müller

            Sorry, but I was thinking about your first interview after 19 years at BlastEcho telling you wouldn’t take drugs anymore but only medics against ADHD. In times where people die of overdosing painkillers it red like a weird joke…

          • Tilman Müller

            I hope you’ve done a screenshot -for the eMail-address… 😮

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

          • T. M.

            Please call me DICK d’arling, not jerk…
            To share something COMMON towards Cunt Corgan:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/478be643a8ebfd4a6e2ff7fb511b714e5d9e75145f01b7d68ef59c0a81693d63.jpg

          • Fey Wutt

            i have a son whom i adopted.

          • Mike Lidstone

            What are you like a step mom? No adoption agency would give a drug addict a kid. Although it is Illinois so who knows. But that’s good so you have a kid to take care of so don’t need to go on a tour for a year. So it all worked out!

          • Tilman Müller

            Isn’t he also called Mike? Lovely!

          • Fey Wutt

            last time I checked I was talking with fans … that was…

            right before I started talking to you! (who obviously is NOT a fan)

          • Mike Lidstone

            Ohh…so you came on to get your ass kissed! That’s not a drug addict move at all. lol Does the state know who they adopted a kid out to? You’re welcome for the fucking wake up call. Not that you deserve it after you left us and just said fuck off to your fans back in 1999.

          • Fey Wutt

            The only person I ever said fuck off to with Billy.

            you need help.

            i’m done.

          • Mike Lidstone

            Go back to your “assistants” and “boyfriend” and other sycophants, I’m sure they’ll tell you the truth. lol

          • Trovoid

            I agree with D’arcy.. You clearly need help. Who are you to judge and tell her how she should be living her life?? She owes you (and everyone else) NOTHING. How can you just put someone down like this? Just because this is the internet doesn’t mean your words don’t affect others. Have some empathy, man..

          • Fey Wutt

            no…
            I would’ve done this to her for free if everyone else was doing it for free we’ve done it before

          • Fey Wutt

            Yeah.

            You say such caring, compassionate things!!!

            with fans like you, what are the haters going to have left to do?

          • Mike Lidstone

            Like I said, I’m not here to be caring (ie. kiss your ass like the morons you evidently surround yourself with). Sorry, but I find giving you some honesty is more caring . Do you remember honesty?

          • Tilman Müller

            I hate you for spending too much time with haters.

          • Fey Wutt

            YOU are a hater Tillman!!!

          • Tilman Müller

            I LOVE you for this helpful insight!
            !!

          • Fey Wutt

            i spent a LOT of time and $$$ getting better in different hospitals over the years- i KNEW I should’ve had that broadcast!!!
            Damn it! i KNEW fans would get pissed off at me for trying to be well again you’re right I am just selfish!

          • Tilman Müller

            Wasn’t it at Dr. House?

          • Fey Wutt

            still … Who are these sleazy ass moronic yes-man I surround myself with ?

            I don’t live with any other people, but I guess it has been a while since I had a good sit down with my dog horses and cats so they could let me know what a screw-up i am.

            maybe they’re not comfortable with that though seeing as most of them were rescue animals ?

          • Mike Lidstone

            So you have a boyfriend and a kid that you don’t live with? Your messages are almost as incoherent as your texts to Billy. Okay you sound EXACTLY like my alcoholic mom now (although she was never rich like you). You need to star t being honest. Truth: You made some mistakes and you fucked your face up with surgery. But so what? I mean if you didn’t want to do music anymore back in 1999, fine! As a fan its not even any of my business, neither are your drug issues. And even it it was, your were in the bad for like 12 years, I don’t know what more I could be asking for as a fan. But to come on here and lay all these crazy guilt trips and talk about how horrible Billy is and how this tour was about anything other than money for you and you really care about the fans and you were a major creative force in the band to the point that it couldn’t exit without you? What are you talking about??? As a fan, I forgive you for leaving, you did more than enough. And you not coming back, doesn’t make me like you less. But we need some fucking honestly because all you’re giving me bullshit. I’m sorry your unhappy, maybe less feminism would have been helpful in 1998.

          • Fey Wutt

            good lord.

            if I had a son like you I’d be an alcoholic too

          • Mike Lidstone

            That’s exactly what a druggy/alchy would say. You are MILES away from being ready to go in any kind of tour. You sound REALLY messed up, you think all the band/crew/people who bought tickets, everyone, is going to put their faith in you that you will come through for them after you said fuck you to the fans in 1999 and ditched us for Hollywood, drugs and plastic surgery, and then only re-emerged when you thought their might be a big pay day? You got lucky in life, you accidentally met a songwriter who put you in their band and made you one of the less than 10% of people in the music business who ever actually make any money. And for that “crime” all you’ve done is bitch about it. I’m sorry you are so ungrateful for the life of wealth and freedom that BILLY CORGAN gave YOU.

          • Fey Wutt

            i started playing guitar and violin again, i took flying lessens, went skydiving a few times till it got boring.

            LOVE TO SWIM ! and be underwater (Lake Mi is AWESOME!!!)
            i Love to build stuff – like remodeling houses and such. Gardening is great too. Kundalini Yoga is
            AWESOME!!! Still have some
            pretty heavy duty cleanup and major repairs that need to be done from the last 2 or 3 tornadoes, i DO REALLY NEED TO FIND A NEW DOJO!!!!! …. DAMN YOU’RE
            RIGHT!!!

            I do just sit on my ass all the time !!!

            I got to get a hobby .

          • Mike Lidstone

            Excellent, than there is no need to keep having emotional breakdowns online!

          • Fey Wutt

            if you don’t like it don’t read it

          • Fey Wutt

            no ones forcing you to do anything dude

          • Mike Lidstone

            Great so there is no need for anymore emotional breakdowns online or demands that people no longer like a band you were in twenty years ago that you yourself seem to barely remember or care about anyway.

          • Fey Wutt

            who’s making demands?

          • Fey Wutt

            about the refund …

            you’ll have to talk to Billy about that. i’m not in the band anymore.

          • Mike Lidstone

            I don’t understand what you want? Am I supposed to hate the band now?

          • Fey Wutt

            I don’t tell people how to live their lives or what they should or shouldn’t like I wore what they should or shouldn’t think do what you want as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else or anything else

          • Fey Wutt

            Work it out for yourself.

            I don’t know you I can’t tell you what to do nor would I even if I did you don’t know me either although you think you do you do not

          • Mike Lidstone

            Sorry you deleted your post but it still showed up in my email. You are like arguing with my alcoholic mom (I actually used to do that! Until I realized it was a waste of time). YOU ARE SELFISH. You put cocaine, celebrity and plastic surgery AHEAD of real things like having kids (or even just music, or even just a connection with fans! You vanished for years). I’m sorry you surround yourself with sleazy morons who never told you the truth. I want a 25% refund on all my past Smashing Pumpkins purchases.

          • Fey Wutt

            i didn’t delete anything.

          • Mike Lidstone

            Well your messages and my replies show up privately but not publicaly, at least for me. Doesn’t matter.

          • Dave

            It’s because some ass is flagging them so they disappear until a moderator looks at them. And when the mod decides they shouldn’t have been flagged, then they reappear.

          • Mike Lidstone

            Yeah I figured this site was a joke. Social media is a joke.

          • Mike Lidstone

            Again, as a fan, I wish you would tell me what you want from me.

          • Fey Wutt

            what i want from you?

            I’m not asking for anything from anyone I’m just telling people what happened and talking to people.

            You certainly don’t speak as if you’re a fan (of mine anyway)

            not that that matters except that I don’t know why you’re bothering to speak with me since you’ve made it very clear that you think i’m a wastoid piece of shit.

          • Tilman Müller

            You deleted him to a “Guest”?

          • Mike Lidstone

            You bought into some weird feminist lie that you didn’t need to start a family to be happy, you thought you just needed drugs, plastic surgery and celebrity friends, should have listened to your body. And then you felt Billy owed you something for the crime of … writing songs that made you rich? YOU ARE SELFISH and very lost. I’m sorry neither your kiss-ass friends or weak boyfriend has the guts to be honest with you.

          • Tilman Müller

            I only TRIED to kiss her ass. But she didn’t let me… 🙁

          • Cletus Hammersmith

            Mike, you’re as sharp as a marble buddy. First of all, she has a writing credit, she provided backup vocals, she meticulously vetted Corgan’s material and he leaned on her musical wisdom more times than she could probably count. There’s a reason every album she was involved with sold multi-platinum and now Billy is bemoaning repeated 3-star reviews and has to do a phony reunion tour to pay his bills.

            Anyone that has even a mild interest in SP knows what she brought to the table. You can hear it, you can see it and you can feel it. You certainly have a lot of crap to spew for someone that apparently doesn’t care.

          • Fey Wutt

            Word.

            I most definitely dodged a bullet on this one!

        • Fey Wutt

          Hi again.

          Billy is a very insecure person and i’ve always been a threat to those insecurities.

          James used to be too, but nw not anymore
          for many, many reasons.

          Billy has told James and me many times that he is jealous, and why.

          Billy called me a year ago depressed and saying that noone cares about the original members of the band the fans only want me back.

          that is not true.

          I tried to tell him that it wasn’t true.

          I tried for over an hour to talk semse into him.

          I failed.

          • Mike Lidstone

            Thanks for writing. I’m just a fan on Vancouver Island in Canada, can we talk on the phone? I still can’t figure out what happened exactly. But I know Billy, like myself, has become less tolerant of people over the years who aren’t entirely committed to something. It gets exhausting trying to persuade people to be interested in something you are passionate about when they only kind of care, so we have less and less tolerance for that kind of thing. I don’t actually know if that happened here or not but its just a guesse. My email is lidstonemike99@gmail.com if you want to chat.

          • Fey Wutt

            Billy doesn’t care how much other people he works with are into what they’re doing.

            That’s an excuse he uses to get rid of people whom he believes are getting more than their fair share of positive attention from fans/press in his opinion.
            (a’la Nicole Fiorentino)

          • Mike Lidstone

            You didn’t know what was wrong with you? It was called being 30 and your
            body was telling you to have kids, which you didn’t seem to want to do,
            so you started to go a little nuts. I’m sorry you chose feminism over
            science. So you shit on the fans and left for cocaine, celebrities and
            plastic surgery because you had too much money and support from being
            the bass player in a successful band that you just had to escape? I
            grew up around drug addicts and alcoholics, and I chose to get into
            other things, which means being estranged from my family. You
            accidentally met a successful songwriter who gave you enough money that
            you didn’t have to work minimum wage anymore, and you are angry about
            it? What an ungrateful bitch. Look, you shouldn’t be on this tour,
            you’re not an intelligent person and you are wildly unstable. You don’t
            care about fans or the music. That’s fine, you don’t have to! So than
            there’s no issue. So, why get in the news? A lot of middle aged women
            who were too sophisticated to have kids start to go insane around this
            point because their lives are now sad and empty. That’s fine, but leave
            the rest of us alone.

          • Fey Wutt

            Oh wow!

            Are you for REAL???

            If you are then i’m very sorry i wasted my time on a wack-job like you!

            That’s just WAY too much crazy for me!

            And MEAN, STUPID CRAZY!

          • Mike Lidstone

            So women who are mentally healthy because they had kids when their body was asking them to (instead of turning to cocaine, plastic surgery and celebrity friends like you did), are less than you in some way? Wow, thanks for your enlightened, sophisticated take on life. lol I’m glad you didn’t waste time perpetuating the species, I’m glad you spent your 30s putting yourself first. Were you always this selfish?

          • Mike Lidstone

            So you are a better person because your not a mom and therefor not “barefoot in a kitchen” somewhere? You are an extremely selfish person. The Frogs wrote a song about you, “I only play for money, I don’t give a fuck about the fans…” You don’t give a FUCK about Smashing Pumpkins fans, you only wanted to do the tour for money so you can do more drugs. Just like in your 30s you chose cocaine, plastic surgery and celebrity friends over having kids, despite the fact that you were going crazy because you weren’t listening to your body. Now you can’t have kids, and your life is sad and empty. You’ve never cared about anyone but yourself.

          • Fey Wutt

            I’m actually going to take screenshots of your looney
            rants!

            You’re like one of those people who still thinks that the earth is flat, the holocaust never happened
            & Women should stay at home barefoot pregnant and cooking and cleaning for their husband .

            You sir?

            are a lost cause.

          • Tilman Müller

            Keep things cooking: He gave you his email address for further private contact!
            Sharing it even with us… 😀

          • Fey Wutt

            Tillman!!!

            leave the crazy person alone.

            he has enough problems.

          • Tilman Müller

            I think regarding Nicole Billy was also jealous about her band project The Cold And Lovely.
            They were really good and had even Patty Schemel in the beginning playing drums! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5133e64b7bfed6d0947cf52d2a68554a948ffa9b8bcc97d4a879c67b71a431f6.jpg

          • Fey Wutt

            That would definitely upset him.

  • Stephen McMullin

    One commenter here makes a good point about this looking a bit PR-stunty. A cunning stunt, as it were. Still, who isn’t loving the soap opera aspects of this? Is D’Arcy really in this thread? Way to drum up some intrigue! Billy does own a pro wrestling franchise, though, so…

    Bizarrely, this has all coincided with my re-obsession with SP. Haven’t really listened to them in years, though recently listened to little else. Very exciting.

    I just hope the new tunes can live up to the hype, though it usually takes me several years to warm to new SP music, so I’ll check back in 2028 (by then I’ll probably be in love with Ogilala).

    • BulldogsRUs

      Cunning stunt…or stunning cunt?

  • Stone Gossardish

    Billy comes off as pretty well here to be honest, after a first read.

    I like the idea of D’arcy coming back in pieces. I hope it still happens.

    The both should admit that this whole saga has done more to promote SP than just about anything in a very long time. So this is not all bad.

    Let’s at least all get in a room, gang, and see how it sounds. See how long she can play, see how long Billy can sing (hi, Billy), and see if they can do a great tour that sounds great.

    Since I have your ear, Bill, there’s still time for you to shake that “for studio only” stamp that’s on your voice. There’s still time to make a great live record and explain to people that first one sounded so bad bc Virgin did what it did.

    There’s not many more steps SP can take, but doing a real reunion and doing it right, or at least better than this information saga, is a good idea.

    PS. If you all totally have us and this is some kinda cooked up wrestling type deal, we owe you a major hat tip.

    • Shinobi Jedi

      Try to keep in mind you’re applying your own civil tone to his words when D’arcy knows him to be passive aggressive. Apply that tone and tell me if it still sounds reasonable.

      • Stone Gossardish

        Very fair point. He’s been Bitter Bore-Again for many years longer than he’s been the new Billy.

        • Fey Wutt

          There is no new Billy.

          He’s just become a
          quiet, liar (instead of a screaming one) and manipulates people more politely.

          I found out the hard way.

          • Stone Gossardish

            How you put that was f’n brilliant.

          • Fey Wutt

            Thanks, but i can’t take credit for what it is.

            It just is.

            it is what it is?
            he is still what he was?

            no, no, no, no, no, no.
            He’s SO MUCH WORSE
            NOW!

          • Stone Gossardish

            That’s too bad. But more importantly, it is, as you’ve said. What actually “is” always matters most. Not who’s right, wrong, etc. It’s always about what “is,” more than anything, which leaves so many valiantly fighting for the truth first on so many fronts in this world.

            It’s such a bummer for all of us but based on what’s gone on with your situation, this partial reunion may not have a strong enough foundation to last very long. Someone that far gone is so unlikely to come back to earth and reality.

          • Fey Wutt

            But he just keeps going
            :/

    • Fey Wutt

      Do you REALLY think that Billy would read this?

      Not on your life.

      I’m completely aware that i’m giving them more publicity than they EVER would have had for another one of Billy’s fake pumpkin reunion tours.

      This whole reunion started with me and Billy nearly 2 years ago.

      He and i spoke about it for a year and a half.

      I helped plan it.

      Maybe you didn’t read everything?

      Maybe you just need to read it more carefully.

      BTW: i’ve been playing bass again since before Billy and I spoke again the 1st time and he knows it.

      They all know it.

      it was never a question of whether or not I could do it.

      They’re trying to save their butts by using that as an excuse after the fact.

      • Stone Gossardish

        I appreciate you taking the time to comment on this. I haven’t read everything ever written about or from Bill in the past couple years, but I have followed it pretty well for a long time. I have a bit of an old feel for how Bill is behind the curtain from time I spent time working with Virgin about 15-20 years ago now. Just a bit of a feel, since that was long ago.

        I think Bill has taken looks or has people that have glanced at things commented before whether on these type sites, his periscope or other social media in past years, etc., based on what he’s said and the fact that he admitted to that on the Stern Show a couple times. If he didn’t, he’d have even bigger rabbit ears than it seems.

        I love how you laid out your points so clearly. I think it helps everyone out there get a better idea of what’s gone on. You are obviously a direct source. The rest of us are speculators at best. I think we all know that and appreciate the access.

        Many of us are very sorry and upset it didn’t work out. We hate to see you end up getting screwed over like this, again. It has to sting, especially since you had been playing again to prepare for what it should’ve been. It doesn’t sound fair, and perhaps worst of all, it dings us fans a good bit too. We wanted and hoped for a real reunion.

      • _horizont_

        “BTW: i’ve been playing bass again since before Billy and I spoke again the 1st time and he knows it.”

        What I absolutely don’t understand is why Billy hasn’t even met up with you during the last two years. He could have reconnected and jammed with you to see for himself how things are going musically.

        And what about that bs about ‘You think you can play better than Jack Bates?!’ ?

        What does he even mean by that?

        Flashback (2012 interview):

        Billy:
        “It’s hard to get… the Pumpkins’ sound. If you can bottle it, it’s sort
        of predicated on the idea the guitars are clearly on top and ahead of
        the drums; the drums sit in the middle, and the bass is a little back,
        so it has an impact and wide-scope sound. That’s the sound that I like
        to hear. Maybe it was developed through playing with D’Arcy and the way
        she played. I got used to that feeling, and so I’ve looked for that
        feeling ever since.”

        So now he has the opportunity to play with you again, the real deal, to be able to feel something he has looked for ever since you left the band. And what does he do? He hires Jack ‘No Stage Presence’ Bates.

        • Cletus Hammersmith

          Billy only compliments D’arcy when it suits his needs. If he’s waxing about the past he brings her up because she’s a huge component of the original band and fans like to hear her name come up. Look at what he said about her after they pushed her out the first time. Not a compliment to be had because he thought he could ride along on his name. That didn’t work so he got all dramatic and took out a full page ad to announce he was taking back the Pumpkins name and he’s been slowly sinking since. The thing Billy needs to realize is that ultimately, he needed/needs D’arcy for the Pumpkins to be successful, but D’arcy doesn’t need him.

        • Fey Wutt

          Billy called me about a year ago and started ranting about how “fams don’t care about the original lineup, they just want me back.”

          I spoke to him for over an hour, trying to alleviate his worries and talk sense into him.

          It was a lot like trying to talk down a jumper .

          yes.
          i have had a LOT of experience helping suicidal friends, but
          Billy is the only one who
          ‘jumped’.

          Me not being in the band again has absolutely nothing to do w/ANY of everyone’s questions.

          This is about Billy and his insecurities.

          It’s very sad.

  • aces

    Clearly, all Billy really cares about is getting his career back on track with an international arena tour of fixed setlists and broadway bullshit instead of, as he claimed, repairing his friendship with his bandmates. And again, he’s displaying absolute contempt for his fanbase and the ‘kids’ as he puts it who only interest him as undiscerning consumers of his merchandise. Billy, the reason why no one’s liked anything you’ve done for years is because you’re a self-righteous asshole, you care more about your career than being in a rock band, and it shows through in your music. There were years when you were beautiful.

  • Anonymous501

    Reading that, it sounds like Billy Corgan and the other members are trying to press forward, but they’re unsure of Darcy’s capabilities. I read a guy that really wants to make it work, but is stuck on a Variable.

    In reality they probably need to hash it out in person. Reading Corgan’s big long text’s and Darcy’s shorter replies, it reminds me of conversations I should of had in person (or over the phone) as its difficult to do in texting.

  • Shinobi Jedi

    For everyone saying “It seems Billy is being reasonable…” Keep in mind that tone is not communicated in text and you’re all applying your own civil tone to it, whereas D’arcy knows his real tone.

    • Liam

      This exactly!

  • Joe J

    Write more stuff like from Gish, Siamese Dream, Adore. Glad the band is back together.

  • Jayson Yaunk

    It will not truly be a Smashing Pumpkins reunion without D’Arcy. #TeamD’Arcy

    • Fey Wutt

      thank you.

      • Jayson Yaunk

        All thanks to u *D. I honestly have always wanted to see the Pumpkins live bc we had tix to see ya in Dallas then tragedy struck SP w/the O.D. I was young then and moved back to Iowa and never got another chance. Honestly I have always wanted to drive up and see ya at your Grandma’s ranch (if i read that correct many yrs ago) in WI and talk about the whole era w ya as I was a young teenager by 94 but have always been too chicken shit to and now seeing all this go as such makes me sad one man can be sooo stubborn and ruin something sooo beautiful. That is what i always loved about SP is your beauty and chaos mingle soooo damn well together. Even writing this makes me long to pop an album in just to relive that capture of that feel. Quick ? Did u guys ever get to tour w some of the other greats such as L7, Mudhoney, Nirvana, the Melvins, Hole, Babes in Toyland, Bikini Kill, etc? I am now 37 and have seen most minus Nirvana of course as well as Hole and SP of course too. Thanks again for all your amazing tunes!

        • Fey Wutt

          We knew, hung out w/and played w/nearly all of them.

          That reminds me of a Time when we were playing in Australia and i was speaking w/some kids from there and one of them said,

          “OMG!!! Do you know Eddie Vedder ?!!!!!?”

          and you live here so you know that this is a Humungous country!

          I WANTED to say:

          (in my cynicism brought on by mid-tour, fried-out, exhaustion during the hotter than i can stand, Australian summer at the hottest part of the day:

          Well OF COURSE!!!

          Because he’s from the United States
          and I’m from the US
          so of course we know each other !

          because everyone from there knows everyone else!!!

          But I couldn’t-

          – because I DID know Eddie.
          😂

          So i said, “yes, I do know him.
          He and the rest of the Pearl Jam guys are some of the sweetest people you will ever meet ! ( except for stone Gossard because he was mean to me)

          And Eddie reminds me of Peter Pan! I will give him your Love”.

          • Tilman Müller

            But what started the feud between some members of Pearl Jam and of the Smashing Pumpkins? Must have been on the tour with the Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
            Why did Stone Gossard more like James than you?
            And what is the meaning of “PRO Jam”? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/320a17a14b50dbb392edc0aeeeb717b5c6e442e9ad3b44b24e4fa48ed61378e2.jpg

          • Jayson Yaunk

            Man that makes my day!! Going to see L7 Thursday in Minneapolis at 1st Ave and it has been 18 yrs since i last saw em. I am not an extreme heat fan myself and am quite sarcastic myself! Too funny w all knowing one another in the end as well as ppl from everywhere else thinking we all know everyone. Have yet to see Pearl Jam myself and I love Peter Pan! Btw a lot of my friends who love what the Smashing Pumpkins use to be know and do not support this mess he has brought about. I always thought (when i was young) that being in a band would mean best friends for life and such (naivity?) but even when I use to play it was never as such. Nowaday i still go to a lot of shows but you can definately tell which frontmen have huge egos, or guitarists, etc and which band members are nice. Mean ppl suck for sure as do cockstars i call em (ones who just play to get notches on their belts). This day and age w the music industry being what it has become after piracy etc more ppl r in it for passion from club to club i am noticing or not starting a band at all. After having met some of these ppl over time i don’t get starstruck like i probably would have at 15 yrs old…but this conversation is pretty fucking up there! Thx D! My dad just went to Australia last yr too. Saw some cool pics and their buildings r really tall. Aint been to too many places myself aside from California, Texas, and the cities around here that are somewhat close…chicago, st louis, and, minneapolis. As i am getting older i don’t like big cities like i use to. Still take the kids here and there for something different or go for work but i like the quiet simple life nowaday…never thought i would but it has a certain peace and serenity to it. However to have been on the top of the world as Mellon Collie ripped thru had to have been like a tornado ripping thru (esp for u) …fuck i remember that time soooo well. A guy in my class had it on cassette and kept playing Bullet w…over and over and I said ya know there r other songs on the album to play. He looked at me in shock. And yet he played them for the class. Still one of my favorite double sets out there and Siamese Dream was one of my 1st 5 cds i got. Beck Mellow Gold, AIC’s first 2, and Incesticide were up there too. Have yet to see Beck too. Anyway thanks for chatting!

  • Just My Opinion

    Wasn’t she only in the band because she was Billy’s girlfriend? I know he had to over-dub a lot of her bass lines in the studio.

    • Trovoid

      She dated James but they broke up before Siamese Dream and stayed friends/bandmates.

      • Dallas Drake

        Butch Vig wanted Billy to do all the parts so they could get the hell out of there

    • Fey Wutt

      I was never Billy’s girlfriend.

      Not even close. James and i were together for the 1st 4 yrs

      Billy did not overdub or redo ALL of my parts.

      • Paudi O Cuan

        Hey Darcy not sure if my comment got posted. Just wondering you know the way you were sayin Billy was slandering you saying you were a mean spirited drug addict who refused to get help. Jus wondering if you could set the real record straight regarding the reason for you going down that path of drugs why did u take them to begin with?. A bit taken back as you saw what they did to Jimmy. Glad your in good health. Love from Ireland

        • Fey Wutt

          I started to answer that question and it’s on here somewhere, but it’s a very long story.

          I will finish answering later
          on here or it will be in an autobiography

          • Paudi O Cuan

            Thanks D’arcy. Its just that you cant believe the media and definitely not Billy it seem unfair that your truthful version wasnt represented properly. By the way I had the biggest crush on you growing up and you rocked the bass dont let anyone tell you different on here. Glad your doing well 😉

      • Just My Opinion

        I’m assuming you’re Darby ( or someone pretending to be) , thank you for clearing that up and I apologize for my mistake.

        • Fey Wutt

          a lot of people thought that
          and a lot of people wished it was true.

          I was not one of those people.

      • _horizont_

        Did you ever feel Billy was jealous when you and James were together?
        Did Billy ever try to make a move?

        • Fey Wutt

          i don’t even want to contemplate that question

          • Tilman Müller

            😮

            Ein Beitrag geteilt von Billy! (@billy) am Mär 28, 2018 um 11:55 PDT

          • lem207

            The question is, have you met Linda Strawberry

          • Fey Wutt

            Who?

          • Tilman Müller

            The next bass player of the very original Pumpkins:

            lindastrawberryStress relief. #redhanded
            kiiarensYessss
            hergeirDid you give it a name, @lindastrawberry ?
            aperzigianSP bassist please!
            enry_le_cosmic@aperzigian THIS
            shoe.guru.extraordinaireLove this shot
            simplyjennyleelindberg@jennylibrary @jennylibrary @jennylibrary
            richasc25You playing bass with the pumpkins?
            lindastrawberry@richasc25 I’m playing bass with the strawberries.
            selfixedLight bass this summer?
            https://jackbass.info/upcoming-tour-dates
            richasc25@lindastrawberry awesome come to Michigan I’ll come to a show
            lindastrawberry@richasc25 ok. Me and the strawberries will see you there.

            https://www.instagram.com/p/Bin-n7pjoh3/?taken-by=lindastrawberry

          • Tilman Müller

            The question is: why gets even Steven Adler nowadays a lifestyle biography and guess who not…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE8c6t3gciU

          • Tilman Müller

            Who is she, if not the next shenanigan bass player of the very original Pumpkins:
            lindastrawberryStress relief. #redhanded
            aperzigianSP bassist please!
            richasc25You playing bass with the pumpkins?
            lindastrawberry@richasc25 I’m playing bass with the strawberries.
            selfixedLight bass this summer?
            https://jackbass.info/upcom
            richasc25@lindastrawberry awesome come to Michigan I’ll come to a show
            lindastrawberry@richasc25 ok. Me and the strawberries will see you there

            https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/c405e4043a33e66a65073c91727ff16f/5B908911/t51.2885-15/e35/31278542_118130035725901_1534391257067945984_n.jpg

            WTF is she doing with her pinky…

          • Christian Bausch

            Darcy you’re awesome. I’ve always suspected that Billy has shitty tendencies towards people close to him, so when a lot of people were rhetorically taking his side I was very skeptical. It saddens me that I’m certain that he is too stubborn to reconcile after all this, even though it was just you refusing to play his games. Its really small minded of him, considering all the great bands that can never have a reunion (like Soundgarden), and he could have a complete reunion, but he’s throwing that away because of his stubborness. I wish the best for you, you’re kickass. (P.s. sorry replying to an unrelated reply, I figured this is the best way you’d see this)

          • mike

            Do you keep in touch with anyone at all from the music world?

            Are you still locked out of FB? You ever going to get back on Twitter?

          • T. M.

            #smashingpumpkins @jamesihaofficial @chamberdrums @jjjschroeder backstage at the Troubador Ein Beitrag geteilt von Linda Strawberry (@lindastrawberry) am Jun 28, 2018 um 8:57 PDT

          • T. M.
      • Just My Opinion

        For whatever it’s worth, it’s not a true Smashing Pumpkins reunion without you.

      • Tilman Müller

        Some people might even think, you and Billy got married, with only this picture showing up publicly of your marriages:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/292535ab5a3e3edba7858518d168faac31139fcff0e057335793bdcddf042333.jpg

  • mutant

    She’d probably have to learn how to play the bass again. None of this band were ever monster players, just costume wearing hipsters, sold primarily to 90’s teenagers as “cool”, using a female bass player as a gimmick.

    • glisanst

      Female musicians are gimmicks? Let me guess, you’re a big Limp Bizkit fan?

      • mutant

        No, not all bands with female musicians are gimmicks, but this one it was. If it wasn’t, then how come they replaced her only with other females? and no I wasn’t a white teenager in the 90’s, so bands with white guys rapping over metal riffs acting tough and trying to be funky appealed to me as little as ones with whiny voiced white guys like this band. Now let me guess, you were a teenager in the 90s though I bet? I’m so sincerely sorry.

        • Trovoid

          It really is a given in everyone’s minds that the bass player has to be a woman in SP. It’s like an unspoken tradition, so I hear you on it being a gimmick.

        • glisanst

          You guessed wrong. Big surprise there.

          Seriously, your effort at moving the goalposts here is hilarious. So replacing one male guitarist with another male guitarist isn’t a gimmick, but replacing one female bass guitarist with another female bass guitarist IS a gimmick?

          Nice one, broseph.

          • mutant

            Uhmm…again if it wasn’t a gimmick and they weren’t typical costumed poser type of non-player “musicians” then it wouldn’t matter what sex they were (males could easily be replaced by females and vice versa). The only thing that would matter would be their level of musicianship. Also again, I really am so sincerely sorry for your generation, having to grow up actually admiring such tripe like this, little buddy.

          • Dallas Drake

            and you’re here why?

          • mutant

            Because I’m honestly very deeply and personally inspired by such pretentious costumed angst sold to 90’s teenagers now in their 30’s and wondering why they ever listened to such a whiny little singer in the first place. Yet again, I’m so sincerely sorry for all of you.

          • FUQ LIBS

            Take a look in the mirror kid. That is who you should feel sorry for.

          • Trovoid

            Because he/she is more pretentious than the music that they speak of and they’re psychologically projecting.

        • Fey Wutt

          the 90’s were SO AWESOME!!!

      • Fey Wutt

        HAH!!!

    • Trovoid

      You don’t think Billy or Jimmy are monster players? Like them or not, the band is pretty technically proficient (even James and D’arcy are). There are some very complex parts in their songs.

      • mutant

        I don’t think you probably know what actual “monster” musicianship is. But typically “real” players don’t have to wear special costumes or adopt any kind of affectation, they just simply play. Yet try selling that to teenagers.

        • Trovoid

          Oh please. Has it ever occured to you that a proficient musician could also be selling some sort of gimmick too? Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder’s personalities and looks helped escalate their careers.. Chris was always shirtless. Does that detract from his musical ability? No.

          I’m not arguing that SP didn’t have a visual style that appealed to people. I just don’t think they can be compared to band like Kiss who completely relied on gimmicks. I’ll admit Billy wasn’t a great singer but come on, they could play. Every band or artist has something besides the music that helps as a selling point. That’s the music industry for you.

        • Fey Wutt

          i just wore my own clothes.
          However i felt that day.

          i’m a classically trained musician thank you.

          and i fucking ROCK!

          why would you assume that i hadn’t touched a guitar since i left the band.

          That’s kind of ridiculous.

          • Tilman Müller

            But have I understand it right that Billy still had some of your equipment on hold? You told of a bass guitar of yours, third bass player Ginger Reyes played in 2007/8.

          • Tilman Müller

            How did Billy and James felt to wear women clothes? And did they borrow some stuff from you? 😀 Though, Billy must have been too fat to wear them.
            My nice theory was that James began with it with your disput and separation just before the Reading concert 1992. As his crude kind of protest.
            But sadfully someone answered on Netphoria that they began earlier with it…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7I3qF1Ywk

    • FUQ LIBS

      I bet D’arcy would play you into the ground.

      • Fey Wutt

        🤣
        😘

        • Evan Jones II

          D’Arcy, may I ask, what musical legacy would you, as a member of the Smashing Pumpkins, would like to be held in the public light?

          • Fey Wutt

            That’s a VERY DEEP question and not one i would take lightly.

            I i had to answer right now i’d say that i honestly haven’t decided.

            I don’t know if i’ll play for anyone but me again or not.

            And i never really identified myself seriously with fame.

            I don’t need it and very freqtdon’t want it.

            I’m a musician.

            Not a performer.

            I’ll think about it tho.

          • Evan Jones II

            Thank you for your honest reply, being a talented musician (my words) would be a fitting start.

          • Fey Wutt

            what? where did my answer go?

            I spent more than a little time on that.

            Ugh.

          • _horizont_
          • Evan Jones II

            I see it…hocus pocus…may reappear…hopefully…

    • Paudi O Cuan

      Listnen to bass lines of cherub rock man there class. Ya she was/is cool to be fair 😉

  • glisanst

    Wow D’Arcy is out of her mind crazy. After reading the interview and these texts I feel so bad that Billy (and the rest of the band) are having to put up with this calibre of nonsensical antics. D’Arcy is 100% delusional in every sense of the word. Unreal.

    I’m a die-hard SP fan and definitely DON’T want her involved with the band moving forward. Good riddance.

    • Keith Taft

      gaslighting and insults are the last defense of those in denial

  • bobliefeld

    I think he’s going about it in the wrong way with the massive tour and broadway show talk.. Whatever happened to what he was talking about a while ago with just getting together, seeing how it felt, how it went

    ..but in the context of what he wants to do -and what he wants to do sounds rubbish but it’s his band- it seems like he’s being really accommodating and reasonable with D’arcy. The conversations are really one sided and I don’t know what more he could do other than book her flights and send a car to pick her up??

  • 122

    D’arcy thought Jack White is the son of Patty Smith? where the heII did she get that from?

  • Hellob73

    The screenshots don’t seem unreasonable. What seems unreasonable are her responses. Instead of saying ok or I’m with my mom or sorry I wasn’t in LA, etc.
    she should have got on the next plane and shown them what she can do. No excuses. She should have been working on the bass the second she heard rumors of a reunion. If she got to the studio and Billy felt she wasn’t up to speed, then she should lock herself in a room and practice until she was.
    I really want her there but he’s right when he says that no one knows your skill level anymore. No one has heard you for 19 years. He’s trying to put together a real rock star tour, not a golden oldies one where fans are more forgiving.
    I feel bad for her but she’s not showing that she has the drive to prove that she deserves the full spot.

    • Fey Wutt

      I helped PLAN the reunion.

      Read the thing again.

      • Hellob73

        On the bright side, the tour is going to be a flop. He can’t sell out arenas without you. Have you seen the sales figures? Terrible!

  • MissCrystal

    I am living for all this Smashing Pumpkins drama. I feel like I’m 15 again!

  • Luke

    This just proves that text messaging, I would include email here, is the worst form of communication. This lacks context, background and feeling. I’ve loved SP for a very long time and I’d love to see them all back together, but without reconciliation it’d be a crap tour. Besides, at their ages why would you want to be walking on eggshells or arguing just to get something together.

    The truth is…you’re all in your 50’s I believe. How about acting like it and pick the receiver end of the phone up and say hello – in the words of David Byrne “Like Humans Do.”

    • CB

      speaking of Byrne, he’s doing a tour and I hear it’s excellent!

    • Fey Wutt

      Billy and i spoke on the phone all the time.

  • Heyward_Yablouin

    A face-to-face or phone call would’ve been better here. Text conversations of this length can become murky. But I don’t see a smoking gun. it seems to me the main issue was lack of clarity on D’Arcy’s injured shoulder. If she’d be able to rehearse only in 4-6 weeks (presumably if no other issues arise), and the first show is in July, that could make it difficult for he to play bass on every song. It’s probably why Corgan implied she play only some of the songs. But who know what happened after these text exchanges. Did D’Arcy run into other circumstances? Did Corgan misinterpret other things? It’s not entirely clear.

  • Andrew Kennedy

    The one thing that keeps coming to me when reading thorugh the interview and texts is the fact he mentions having already arranged lighting, tour managers, T-Shirts and buses not to mention having already recorded the song with Rubin. Maybe I am reading the situation wrong, but if he really was wanting D’arcy involved on this tour he wants to be A level broadway, would he not have made her the offer prior to doing all of this?

    Surely the first step in a huge reunion tour would be ensuring the members are up for re-uniting then everything else after? To me it seems this is an after thought and he had fully intended to tour with her just popping in and out for a few songs.

    The initial offer to basically join in whatever capacity she sees fit is pretty much negated by the thinly veiled “But this is a high pressure tour with no room for mistakes that you may not be up to par for”.

    Just my opinion, and it is hard to judge from the texts alone. But his offer seems less than geniune to me, and very late in the game.

    • Fey Wutt

      The offer WAS made before all of that.

      You only didn’t hear about it until after.

      The only reason you heard about it was because i was pissed off that he rescinded
      the offer.

  • FUQ LIBS

    Corgan is a turd.

  • docmartin76

    There are only a couple of bands that I ever enjoyed so much as to listen to near all they ever produced. Pumpkins and Oasis seemed to be the score of my younger life. So many memories tied to the music. I am sorry that this didn’t work out, and I am still bummed that Noel and Liam won’t even talk much less play together anymore. I will hold a torch for a future reconciliation

  • I’m really not reading any texts where he doesn’t want her involved in this tour. It sounds to me like Corgan is being very accommodating to make something work.

    • Fey Wutt

      REALLY ??? Not even in the part where he says that he James Jimmy and Jeff need to play these shows perfectly in order to get the band to be able to play out of the country ?

      and when he goes on to say that he knows that I don’t like it or agree but that’s just the way it is?

  • DanSwon

    Seems like Billy was being totally UNreasonable. Begins by offering her everything/anything, then starts back-pedalling to deliberately upset her and push her buttons. He’s manipulating the conversation deliberately to get a bad reaction out of her, because it looks like he never wanted her in the reunion in the first place. He’s a nasty little Machiavellian narcissistic creep and doesn’t deserve to have her. Everyone knows he’s an arsehole, there’s a million stories out there about it.

    • Liam

      I really think this could be the most accurate assessment of the situation so far.

      “Begins by offering her everything/anything, then starts back-pedalling to deliberately upset her and push her buttons. He’s manipulating the conversation deliberately to get a bad reaction out of her”

      I kind of felt something like that was going on when reading the messages. He didn’t seem committed. Lots of talk though.

  • DanSwon

    ps. for those of you thinking Billy is being reasonable – look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder – he has it in spades. I know the type and I guarantee to have him in your life would be a nightmare.

    • Fey Wutt

      look up messiah complex too

      • DanSwon

        They seem to go hand in hand. I really feel for you D’Arcy – I was also bass player in a band for 3 years with a singer that was exactly like Billy. Super NPD, messiah complex, delusional, the lot. Said and did eerily similar things. He got so bad he actually ended up in a psychiatric ward at one point, because he was considered a danger to others/himself.
        If Billy is genuinely believing he’s seeing people shapeshift into
        lizards before his eyes then he needs to undergo psychiatric assessment,
        and perhaps a brainscan? People think it’s funny, but it’s really not
        fun being under the control of a crazy person.
        People like Billy and my ex-singer are emotionally so damaging and draining. It’s like being the victim in an abusive marriage. Total vampires that turn something that could and should be magical and beautiful into a dark horrible paranoid nightmare.
        It also pushed me into really bad alcoholism and depression, and took me a while to recover. Better now, and thankfully 100% free of that in my life – this is why I think even if he’s offered you loads of money (did he ever even offer any money?) you’d still be better off out of it, for the sake of your emotional well-being. Much love D’Arcy – you have a lot of support here! x

    • SteveWilmos

      I would even consider Borderline PD at this point.

  • Frankie Alzuru

    Billy’s definitely trying to get the best of both worlds. He does seem to at least superficially considers darcys feelings. But he doesn’t wanna let he BE the bassist. She IS the bassist like what else is there? He knows she’s pretty imparative to the reunion too. So he’s like reasoning with this irrelevant injury and your capacity to play. Wtf you can’t be kinda the bassist naa mean?

    • Fey Wutt

      i had a reoccurring nightmare of this exact scenario, cept Jack was some girl.

      I honestly did. For many years.

      • Johnny Vile

        Hi D’Arcy! Cool that you’re here posting and interacting with people!

        Curious if you still even listen to SP, or does this whole thing not make you want to listen to your band’s music anymore? Also, what’s your favorite album that you were on? Thanks!

    • Fey Wutt

      Oh-and get this:

      He wasn’t going to PAY me!!!

      He was totally insulted when i asked him how much i’d be making.

      He couldn’t even speak!!! 😂

      he just stuttered and sputtered like a backed up, petered out volcano that was on it’s last legs before going extinct.

      Then he said,

      “I’m NOT going to DISCUSS THAT with YOU!!!”

      Like “How DARE i even ASK for anything from the great and powerful OZ!!!”

      of course I wasn’t going to do the tour on those ridiculous terms.

      He set it up so that i would be validating his revised history of my deminished role and devalued importance in the band and i knew that he figured that I should feel honored to be able just to be on the stage with him even a little bit.

      I could not resist asking him how much he would pay me for debasing & demeaning myself and validating all of his bs & lies
      tho.

      He responded exactly as i knew he would.

      So predictable.

      • Tilman Müller

        What have you arranged the 1 1/2 years before, if not even the payment of the musicians had been clarified?

  • James DiGriz

    What an utter cockwomble. “if you don’t want to be on a t-shirt then the kids are happy to buy something else”

    I think you’ll find your wrong there Billy. Sure, you’ll sell some shows and t-shirts but nothing like on the scale if you gave the fans what they’ve wanted for over 20 years, which is a return of the original band, including the IRREPLACEABLE D’arcy. You don’t get it Billy, you can’t just swap out unique parts and think it’s the same thing.

    Personally, I won’t pay to see this ‘reunion’ because it’s fake.

    • Fey Wutt

      Well i’m sure you know Einstein’s def of insanity.

      :/

    • Fey Wutt

      and i have a funny story about exactly that only from … 2007?

      I’m not sure of the year.

      Who really has time to pay attention to all of Willy’s shenanigans?

      (and if you do, please don’t tell us)

      Long story for later tho.

  • JFSII

    Wow – the way I read this is that Billy is a classic insecure egomaniac. He doesn’t call people, because having them call him is a way of keeping himself “above” them – if he reaches out, it’s a sign of weakness, so having them come to him is his own form of staying on his throne and having them kiss the ring.

    I used to love SP, but fell out of love when Billy started trying to turn himself into a Marilyn Manson clone (parallel to my own musical journey which led me away from alternative music). I only started to become more interested in the recently when Billy was on the Joe Rogan podcast… he sounded like he had finally grown up and matured to the point where he’d be able to collaborate again, even talking about how he should have taken the advice he was given about splitting royalties evenly across the band. It was the first time I actually enjoyed listening to him talk (ugh) in a long time. But all of these revelations that D’Arcy has brought to light show that this was just a load of hot air – back to my diagnosis above, it was the psychopath saying out loud the things he wants to be true, so just saying them makes it true for him, nevermind that his actions completely betray those words. No wonder he’s a Donald Trump supporter.

    I guess I can hold onto one tiny ray of hope – that Billy learned all about the value of a narrative while he’s been running his wrestling league, and that all of this is a ruse meant to drum up publicity for the upcoming tour. What better kind of a redemption story than the classic “infighting band makes up at the 11th hour, embarks on historic tour”?

    • Fey Wutt

      I’m so sorry. This is no ruse.

      I wouldn’t partake in something
      like that anyway, unless it was really funny which this isn’t.
      at all.

      It’s just a damn shame.

      • JFSII

        a damn shame indeed. I believe you did (and are doing) a great service by being open about all of this, so thank you for that.

        • Fey Wutt

          Yeah.

          What i can’t get is why everyone is so pissed off at me for just saying
          i was going to be on the tour, but now i’m not.
          It’s the truth. How am i being so “MEAN”?

          • Paudi O Cuan

            Hey D’ Arcy I have a question if you dont mind answering.There is alot of stuff online about your drug use rumours…media… billy calling you a ‘mean spirited drug addict who refused to fet help’ Im just wonderin if you could set the record straight as to why it all began and share your side of it? Especially since what Jimmy went through and you followed down the same path was a bit shocking.Just would like to hear your voice behind it and not the media. Love from Ireland by the way Team D’Arcy all the way 😉

          • Paudi O Cuan

            Hey D’ Arcy I have a question if you dont mind answering.There is alot of stuff online about your drug use rumours…media… billy calling you a ‘mean spirited drug addict who refused to fet help’ Im just wonderin if you could set the record straight as to why it all began and share your side of it? Especially since what Jimmy went through and you followed down the same path was a bit shocking.Just would like to hear your voice behind it and not the media. Love from Ireland by the way

          • Fey Wutt

            Up above🙄

          • Isles487

            Mean? I think most people don’t think that!

          • Fey Wutt

            oh!
            but SOOO MANY
            people DO.

            people are crazy:

            bitching me out because i wouldn’t do what Willy wanted me to do.
            What he wanted me to do was LIE.

            … which is weird because he know’s me better than that.

            He’s sId it countless times publicly how he respects me for sticking to my guns, being honest, being the “moral compass of the band and keeping it together (until he forced me to leave)

          • Isles487

            Yeah, the internet can amplify the people at the margins with extreme opinions, so that even crazy ideas can become either acceptable, or, at the least, seem to draw a surprising number of supporters. I think many people are grateful that you’re willing to speak directly to us, without having all of your thoughts pass through multiple filters, such as marketing, lawyers, etc, before they become watered down to almost nothing. You’re telling your side of the story, I don’t think it’s “being mean.”

            When you mention that Billy wanted you to lie, are you referring to what’s happened after the discussion about you joining the tour fell apart?

            You’ve also discussed Billy repeatedly mentioning that you were the moral compass of the group. Through the years, as the group became more and more successful, did it you feel like it was more and more critical to be in that role?

          • Elliott Neumann

            Sorry things didn’t work out, D’arcy. To be honest, I wanted to become a rock star when I was a kid. But after hearing article after article, post after post, about miscommunication between people in my favorite bands, I TURNED IT DOWN for a more frugal lifestyle. There are rumors you are back living in SW Michigan; being raised in Marshall (near Battle Creek) it’s always comforting when someone famous lives near the same non-superficial state as you, since everybody today is all about the bigger cities.

            NOW, I want to become a cartoonist. All this talk about band miscommunication inspired me: I’m making a comic strip series about real-life adventures to show to my friends / family, because I want to become a cartoonist someday. My latest story revolves around an actual event from 1994 where my mom and dad went to Kalamazoo to see SP play at Wings Stadium and having an “awkward experience / being unable to tell which songs were being played” (no offense), most likely due to a very bad sound system; in my comic strip version, a renowned freelance writer takes his wife to see a band based loosely on 93 / 94 – era SP called “Incompatible Collective,” and has the same experience – only the writer has to interview the band members as well. It gets kind of ugly.

          • John Scott

            I think people are frustrated, and are only believing Billy’s version of the truth – which is a shame. It doesn’t make sense, because he’s the one hiding.

          • Fey Wutt

            don’t know what more i can say.

            it’s all there in his texts if you read all of them.
            :/

          • John Scott

            He seems to have a legion of worshippers, who believe he can do no wrong – which is part of the problem, because HE believes it too. He really doesn’t understand what the fans wanted – or he just doesn’t care.

  • Katie Maz

    i got so frustrated just reading this and remembering every damn time i’ve been told what i’ll be best at and most comfortable doing by people who don’t know me *that* well (anymore)

  • Paudi O Cuan

    Hey D’ Arcy I have a question if you dont mind answering.There is alot of stuff online about your drug use rumours…media… billy calling you a ‘mean spirited drug addict who refused to fet help’ Im just wonderin if you could set the record straight as to why it all began and share your side of it? Especially since what Jimmy went through and you followed down the same path was a bit shocking.Just would like to hear your voice behind it and not the media. Love from Ireland

  • John Scott

    How is having Jack Bates on the tour a solution to the problem? I don’t want to see Jack Bates. I want to see D’arcy. I don’t even KNOW who Jack Bates is – and I don’t want to. I want to see the REAL Pumpkins.

  • Keith Taft
  • stevie c15

    you still play D’arcy? Bass used to be my life.. I was pretty good ..played in a lot bands in the 90’s. I had a lot of fun. I shut the lid on serious playing permanently after a fairly bad drug habit licked me good. Looking back now..at the time it was becoming too hard for me to stay present enough to play and so I gave up playing to pursue the drugs. Gratefully I stumbled into recovery years later by accident. Luckily I got sober after years of recklessness. I was running scared basically from facing or taking any responsibility for my actions and behavior over the years. Its a bitch facing all those personal demons. After clearing the mountains of wreckage I always wondered what I would be like to pick up the bass again and give it a go. Just for fun.. no preconceived delusions of grandeur if I ever get the courage. I swear. Honestly I used to get so pissed off at you for playing so well and being so fucking cool. I could not stand you.. How is it a that a cool chick be a good bass player?? I asked myself.. “No fucking way” is what I used to babble to myself in my head. It was raw jealousy. Anyways I hope you still play.. I will always be a secretly jealous fan. peace.

  • sarah

    Dang, I was really hoping she would end up on this tour! I’m not into women, but I’ve always had the biggest girl crush on D’arcy.

  • Elliott Neumann

    WOW…I was not there for all of this. BUT…whatever happened, it sounds like Billy and Darcy cannot interact ever again. Again, since I wasn’t there, I am not going to take sides, since I don’t know either of the two people. I am SO GLAD I decided not to become a rock star.

    All this talk about band miscommunication inspired me: I’m making a comic strip series about real-life adventures to show to my friends / family, because I want to become a cartoonist someday. My latest story revolves around an actual event from 1994 where my mom and dad went to Kalamazoo to see SP play at Wings Stadium and having an “awkward experience / being unable to tell which songs were being played” (no offense), most likely due to a very bad sound system; in my comic strip version, a renowned freelance writer takes his wife to see a band based loosely on 93 / 94 – era SP called “Incompatible Collective,” and has the same experience – only the writer has to interview the band members as well. He learns of how unhappy the rock band experience tends to be.